DUmmies: Obasms vs Gorbasms

The DUmmies are in a dilemma. Who is the true savior? Obama or Gorbachev? What set this debate off is that website mocking George W. Bush by comparing him to a chimpanzee, SmirkingChimp.com. An article at The Smirking Chimp (meaning that Bush was like a chimpanzee) stated that Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev was smarter than Barack Obama because he accepted defeat in Afghanistan and brought Soviet troops home 20 years ago. This set off an Obasm vs Gorbasm debate in DUmmieland as you can see in this THREAD, "Gorby smarter than Obama: Soviet leader accepted defeat and brought his troops home from Afghanistan." So let us now watch the DUmmies debate Obasms vs Gorbasms in Bolshevik Red while the commentary of your humble correspondent, noting that you can follow his activities on Twitter by becoming his loyal acolyte by simple logging on to @pjcomix, is in the [barackets]:

Gorby smarter than Obama: Soviet leader accepted defeat and brought his troops home from Afghanistan

[GASP! Heresy! Let the debates begin!]

Twenty years ago this week, the last Soviet forces pulled out of Afghanistan. During the Soviet occupation (1979-1989), 1.5 million Afghans died at the hands of the Red Army and Afghan Communists.

The new Soviet chairman, Mikhail Gorbachev, proved a leader of great humanity, decency and intellect. I rank him with Nelson Mandela. Gorbachev determined the Afghan war, begun by his dim predecessor, Leonid Brezhnev, and a coterie of party and KGB hardliners, could not be won.

[You...you dare to rank him above our beloved Barack?]

Gorbachev courageously accepted defeat and brought his soldiers home. Soon after, the Soviet Union, a bankrupt imperium held together by fear and repression, began to crumble. Gorbachev refused to employ force to hold the Soviet empire together.

[And now Gorby lives in America earnings loads of money from liberals who still suffer from Gorbasms.]

The new president of the bankrupt American imperium should heed Gorbachev's wisdom. Barack Obama's inauguration offered a perfect opportunity to pause the U.S.-led Afghan war and open talks with Afghans resisting foreign occupation (both the Soviets and U.S. branded them "terrorists.")

[Obama should have surrendered in Afghanistan the moment he completed taking his messed up oath of office.]

Instead, Obama vowed to intensify the eight-year, $62-billion war. Ottawa's cost: $600-800 million in 2009 alone.

President Obama just declared he will send 17,000 more U.S. troops to Afghanistan on top of the 6,000 troops dispatched by George W. Bush.

Another 13,000 will follow. Reinforcements are supposed to come from the U.S. Iraq garrison. But the Pentagon is trying to delay or thwart the drawdown from Iraq.

[Do I detect cracks in the belief in the infallibity of Barack? Let the Obasm vs Gorbasm debates begin!]

I think the war should end but Gorby was a f*cking dumbass of the first water. What kind of shit for brains did he have to be listening to Ronnie Raygun and GHW Bush about "reforms" and their desire for peace. He got had, he got took, he got hoodwinked. The coup plotters were right.

[I remember when the Left was gloating over how Gorbachev would overwhelm Reagan with his mighty intellect. So how did he get "hoodwinked" by the Gipper?]

Gorby was ten times the man that you will ever be.

[Gorbasm detected!]

The man totally f*cked up his country.

[Obama or Gorbama?]

He attempted to revitalize the economy of his country using advice from his enemies. Unsurprisingly his reforms blew the country apart. Gorbachev with his reforms presided over the only GDP decline the Soviet economy had ever experience since the Germans invade. Even Brezhnev's period of stagnation was marked by low growth rather than decline.

[Ah. Brezhnev nostalgia. Those were the days, my friend. I thought they would never end.]

Gorbachev wanted nothing of what Ronald Reagan was proposing to him as far as capitalism goes. If Gorbachev had been successful, Russia would be a market socialist country today, not the predatory economy it currently is with a small gang of billionaires running everything. It was Boris Yeltsin who privatized the infrastructure and allowed capitalists to siphon hundreds of billions out of the Russian economy.

[A market socialist country? Do you enjoy tossing oxymorons around you moron?]

In 1989 there were two major uprisings in the communist world in Beijing and in several East German cities. The Chinese put theirs down harshly. Gorbachev had already informed Honecker that a similar action would not happen if East German situation were to get out of hand. This inaction was basically a declaration of death for the Warsaw Pact. Gorby should have reminded the East Germans, and all the other trouble making nationalists exactly who won WWII and put some boots in their asses. The progress of China in comparison to Russia over the last 20 years is a testimony to just how badly he f*cked up.

[Declared the Tiananmen Square contingent of DUmmieland.]

Obama is looking for the "light at the end of the tunnel" like one his predecessors. With the same predictable, and disastrous, results.

[The One had a colonoscopy?]

I don't think much of this chimp at the moment; NO ONE can draw conclusions about President Obama's Afghan policy yet.

[RACIST!!!]

he has surrounded himself with clinton/dlc/neolib conservatives in addition to the wall street boys. And NO, he has given ZERO indication he thinks for himself. He is following the same Clinton era Globalization and Defense policies with, wtf?, the same recycled advisers. I have zero expectations but am very willing and able to eat crow.

[Does this mean no more Obasms?]

Gorbachev is near the bottom of the "successful leaders to emulate" list.

[Hey, Gorby made a great Pizza Hut COMMERCIAL.]

I'm getting pretty tired of this historical penis measuring.

[The John Holmes era was the longest one in history.]