DUmmies "Disappointed" By Obama Tossing Clark Under Bus
Late last night I had a vision. No, it wasn't a vision like in one of franksolich's bizarre DREAMS. What happened is that I woke up with a start and a sudden realization that Wesley Clark is entirely a creature of the Clintons. In fact, the ONLY reason why he ran for presidential nomination in 2004 is that the Clintons wanted someone to take Howard Dean out. Clark flopped but Dean eventually took himself out with a lot of help from a White House letter released by the Clintons that showed Dean to be a complete hypocrite in opposing unilitateral military action by the USA when his letter showed that is what he supported in the Balkans. Anyway, putting that piece of the Clark puzzle together with his incredibly stupid attack on John McCain's war record made me realize that this was most likely instigated by the Clintons. Yes, folks, they are STILL trying to take Obama down. Actually I figured Hillary would backstab Obama in the general election but now it looks like she is trying to destroy him BEFORE the Democrat convention. There is no way that Wesley Clark couldn't have known of the reaction to his statement about McCain. He had to have been put up to it by you-know-who. This is but an opening shot in the covert war by the Clintons against Obama. Meanwhile the DUmmies are playing right into their hands by slamming Obama for tossing Clark under the bus as you can see in this THREAD titled, "Obama has DEEPLY disappointed me (re: Wes Clark)." Divide and conquer is the Clintons game plan and it is working BEAUTIFULLY! Embarrass Obama with yet another "supporter" who has to be tossed under the bus and watch as public trust in the Obamassiah erodes. So let us now watch the clueless DUmmies jump to the defense of Clark (who is working for the Clintons) in Bolshevik Red while the commentary of your humble correspondent, doing an Obama bus body count, is in the [barackets]:
Obama has DEEPLY disappointed me (re: Wes Clark)
[You have just made the Clark controllers (the Clintons) very happy.]
"Rejected" Clark's statements about Captain Combover????????????
"Disavows" Clark's statements about Captain Combover????????????
What a chickenshit, whistle-assed, cowardly, stance.
Clark was one hundred percent right.
How many more people will the campaign throw over the side?
[The correct term is "toss under the bus" but continue...]
I'm sorry, but this pisses me right the f*ck off.
[You have just put a big smile on Hillary's face. And now to hear from the other DUmmies...]
You're not alone.
[This is completely OT but another vision I had a few years ago is that we ARE alone. I mean I don't think there is intelligent life anywhere in the universe EXCEPT on Earth. How many years have we been scanning the skys with NO response? Okay, I now return you to the subject at hand.]
I wonder if Republicans are eating their own like some Dems are? Although Republicans hate McCain, they are smart enough not to tear him apart. That's why they keep winning. Think about it.
[You are correct about our attitude towards Captain Combover.]
Obama could have easily distanced himself from the comments without throwing Clark under a bus... it's getting crowded under there... Clark, Rev. Wright, Obama's Granny...
[I think they will soon be joined under that bus by Obama's newly appointed religious affairs adviser, SHAUN CASEY ("Jesus was an illegal alien.")]
Only Clark can criticize Bush's McCain, maybe Clark would be a good VP?
[This DUmmie needs a bigtime Reality Check.]
This could be Obama's way of warning Clark not to wander off the reservation if he's chosen as VP.
[Another Reality Check for this other clueless DUmmie.]
I think that Clark is at the top of the VP list and the GOP will have seizures of anger and primeval screams when Clark is announced as VP
[Are DUmmies really this STUPID or are these LOUSY FREEPER TROLLS just trying to make the DUmmies look incredibly DUmb?]
At first I thought "This man MUST BE VP"
Afterwards I thought "This man MUST BE VP".
Sorry, I fail to see the outrage. Just the opposite. I was, and am, very proud of Gen. Clark for speaking the truth. Truth, the strength to say it AND stand by it gains my respect. Repudiating the truth teller to score political points makes me want to barf.
[DUmb DUmmmmmmies!!!]
We went at Bush's lack of NG service and got nothing. Nothing at all
[But...but those National Guard papers were fake but true.]
How many Kerry surrogates accused Bush of faking his war record?
[How about CBS News faking his war record documents?]
He defeated Hillary Clinton for the nomination after a long and drawn-out primary process.
[But who is winning the secret backstab campaign? Hee! Hee!]
I'm pissed too. Wes deserves better. All he did was clearly and succinctly say the obvious. I'll keep supporting Obama for president, but with even less enthusiasm.
[ALL is going according to the Hillary plan.]
Obama could have distanced himself from Clark very easily without disowning him.
[How is that Clark for VP idea working out for you?]
Clark was right. Obama screwed this one up just like he screwed up the Rev. Wright deal. Thankfully, Clark isn't an emotional type like a preacher is, so I doubt Clark will try to have his comeuppance. Obama didn't learn his lessons well. Ooops he did it again.
[OOOPS!]
It was a coordinated effort between Obama and Clark
You are absolutely right, that Clark is the guy to question McCain's national security credentials. Obama, on the other hand, has never served and so he can't get away with making remarks about McCain's time as a POW. So Clark goes out and says it, and then Obama distances himself from it but the American People still heard Clark say it.
[Shhh! Don't post Obama's cynical game plan in public.]
Clark just said on Abrams that he wasn't talking for the Obama campaign. But, he also said that he was right for saying what he did.
[Correct. He was talking for the Clinton secret backstab campaign.]
The truth is that McCain's service was not uncomplicated: he got shot down, which is a failure, he didn't so much as try to escape, which he's required by duty to do as an officer, and he collaborated with the enemy, albeit under torture.
[WOW! Talk about monday morning quarterbacking from a DUmmie munching on pizza in the comfort of Mommy's basement!]
The Obama camp's response was WAY off base for such a strategy. The right response would NOT have been to reject the remarks as attacks, but to distance themselves from them while leaving open the question of their validity, and if anything, showing respect for the surrogate's perspective.
[And that is what we call NUANCE.]
this is brand obama stinky. this is what they have done to defuse rightwing talking points from the beginning. i feel for ya. i want all these f*ckers taken out and shot. but, that is not brand obama. not chickenshit, diplomatic. i believe him when he says he doesn't do cower. i also believe in brand obama.
[Taken out and shot? It looks like you just tossed the Democrat shtick from years back of having a "civilized discourse" under the bus.]
The best bet is to do a variation on "good cop/bad cop". Let the seed be planted, but act like it wasn't your fault and make sure there are no traces otherwise.
[Ah! Good ol' political expediency cynicism.]
Clark did not misspeak on Face the Nation, he knew exactly what he was saying and I am sure he discussed it with Obama's strategists beforehand. The strategy is you have your surrogate go out and say something nasty and then distance yourself from it.
[Thank you for posting about Obama's incredible level of cynicism out in public for ALL to see.]
it was a coordinated good cop-bad cop routine
[Shhh! Don't reveal this in public!]
This is a ridiculous as the whole "Hillary was telling her hit men to assassinate Obama" meme.
[This is more like a "Hillary was telling her hit men to backstab Obama meme.]
It is all politics. It was a planned attack by the Obama campaign They are using the same strategy they did in the primary. Have a surrogate attack, while Obama stays above the fray. The message is out there, and Obama can distance himself from it. The problem I see this time, is that the media is not lapdogging him this time. They are questioning rather than simply repeating. That muddies up the message. They are now talking about McCain and vietnam rather than McCain and Iraq. I do not think the attack is working this time.
[Damn that compliant media for not lapdogging Obama 100% of the time!]
General Clark did not disavow the "radical" left when push came to shove. General Clark did not disavow the gay community. General Clark continues to earn my full (bleeding-heart, Birkenstock-wearing, tree-hugging liberal) respect.
[If only you knew who Clark REALLY works for. Hee! Hee!]
posted by PJ-Comix at 5:29 AM
22 Comments:
"General Clark continues to earn my
full (bleeding heart, Birkenstock-wearing, tree hugging, liberal) respect."
T-man, is that you? You forgot "tassled loafer wearing, Chardonnay drinking".
Actually, PJ, Wes Clark really IS such an arrogant, self-important douchebag that the Clintons wouldn't have had to prompt him on this one at all.
I think I've made this point before, but perhaps not here.
Comparing Wesley Clark to a douchebag is an insult to all douchebags everywhere. Clark can only *dream* of rising to the level of douchebag.
Please remember this in the future.
"General Clark continues to earn my
full (bleeding heart, Birkenstock-wearing, tree hugging, liberal) respect." T-man, is that you? You forgot "tassled loafer wearing, Chardonnay drinking". the amazing elrond, ladies and gentleman.
I'm flattered that you're having imaginary conversations with me. I really am. It's an honor.
So what sort of footwear is acceptable? Please. What happens if I, troglaman, show up amongst a bunch wingnuts without the correct shoes? If sham's there I could be in for a world of hurt.
But thanks for reminding me that tassled loafer, chardonnay drinking
fuckwads don't deserve shit. You've clearly attended a Young Republican meeting recently.
Wes Clark told the truth. Does being shot down in a war plane qualify one in foreign policy? Does it? Or would you all rather bitch and whine that someone asked the question? Clearly the latter you bunch of wussmeisters.
To tell you the truth, I've liked the fact that the Dems are mixing it up. I think the conflict is healthy. Lockstep is not healthy.
Well, Trogsie, Wes's one fling with "Independent wartime senior executive decision-making" (along with unspecified 'integrity issues,' which is milspeak for either lying and getting caught or screwing other officers' wives) led directly to him getting relieved, so he's kind of living in a glass house on this one. Then there is the problem of comparing anyone else's record to the executive experience of his own candidate, who would be vastly outclassed by your average Cub Scout Den Mother.
If sham's there I could be in for a world of hurt.
Flattered youre having imaginary conversations with me.
For your edification, I happen to have a substantial amount of refreshing chardonnays back at the compound in CO. We Buddhists enjoy sipping it while cleaning our AKs after a day of shooting.
Fine footwear in your case probably refers to a red pair of "fuck me" pumps - tassled loafers be damned.
The tanker's right... Wes Clark's lip-flappings while serving as SACEUR were idiotic. He wanted US boots on the ground in Kosovo. He had convinced Madeline NotBright and Clinton that he was a brilliant strategist who didn't need SecDef support for such initiatives.
He also fell in love with seeing his own face on TV to the point he was ordered by SecDef to: "Get your fucking face off the TV. No more briefings, period."
The idea that either getting shot up (Clark) or shot down (McQueeg) in Vietnam makes one a foreign policy expert is disingenuous to say the least.
T-man
McCain's years as a POW doesn't qualify him for the Presidency but he has plenty other qualifications. Similarly, does Barry's street activism and law school professorship qualify him to conduct foreign policy? By the way, all those years in law school and teaching and yet no paper trail, perhaps Obmaa didn't have anything to say.
As a Democrat you always have a choice, Birkenstocks or tassled loafers are both acceptable at any Democrat riot but a Molotov cocktail is preferable to Chardonnay.
I like the fact that Democrats are mixing it up too, but it'd be nice if they were waking up.
Wes Clark told the truth. Does being shot down in a war plane qualify one in foreign policy?( T-man)
Clark isn't telling the truth nor is he lying; because he's giving his opinion, not speaking to fact. Whether getting shot down is a qualification is subjective. McCain's war service has less bearing on whether I'll vote for him or not, then his more recent actions. But if the left wants to go after Mccain's war record..good luck with that.
Trogs do you even wear shoes in your cave?? You don't strike me as a Birkenstock or tasseled loafer lib. You're too coherent in your ramblings.
"If sham's there I could be in for a world of hurt." trog
"Flattered youre having imaginary conversations with me." sham
Am I? This seemed so real at the time. And I was sooooo scared.
"No doubt dickweed. And you would very quickly find out what the meaning of "screaming in pain" really means. Come on. PLEEEASE start "La Revolucion". Pretty pretty please." sham
Now, I can see why you might want to MAKE it 'imaginary conversation'. Who wouldn't?
At the same time, I doubt I'd like meeting you without the proper footwear.
Trog
Sometimes youre funny.
Sometimes youre nuts.
This time youre just strange.
"Trogs do you even wear shoes in your cave??" skully
No skully, we don't. Sometimes, on a cold night, we'll wrap our feet with the warm entrails of a freshly killed antelope but other than that...
This is why this footwear issue has me so stumped.
Moving on.
"But if the left wants to go after Mccain's war record..good luck with that." skully
Call me crazy, but I think they may be doing just that. It isn't that they're "going after" his war record, they're positioning his statements to add up to a big 'so what?'. Being shot down and held as a POW doesn't relate to anything other than being shot down and being held as a POW. He doesn't get a free pass on knowing foreign policy because of it. It's apples and oranges. One has nothing to do with other. And it doesn't.
The right's entirely predictable, 'mortified and indignant' act has become so much a "Here comes the bullshit!!!" red flag that it's become an embarrassment to the rest of humanity (and secretive cave-dwellers).
<< The right's entirely predictable, 'mortified and indignant' act has become so much a "Here comes the bullshit!!!" red flag that it's become an embarrassment to the rest of humanity (and secretive cave-dwellers). >>
Funny... I thought the very same thing about the loony left's "mortified and indignant" act last week, when some McCain staffer stated (correctly) that another domestic terrorist attack would help McCain in the general election.
"Wes's one fling with "Independent wartime senior executive decision-making" (along with unspecified 'integrity issues,' which is milspeak for either lying and getting caught or screwing other officers' wives) led directly to him getting relieved" dumbass
Proof? Links? Anyone?
I'm having trouble finding out what sort of grades J Sidney got at the academy. Can anyone help?
"Funny... I thought the very same thing about the loony left's "mortified and indignant" act last week, when some McCain staffer stated (correctly) that another domestic terrorist attack would help McCain in the general election." kirk
Correctly? So another terrorist attack on American soil would help McCain. Are you even faintly aware of how wrong you are? Obviously not, kirk.
If you think for one second that not one, but two evil attacks on American soil on your watch will work to your advantage, then you're clearly nuts. Especially since it's been proven again and again that RebupliDUms can't do anything competently other than stick their heads up their asses.
Can you hear me up there?
"Proof? Links? Anyone?" -Trognoramus
The Army CofS was pretty plain about the integrity issues at the time, it was even on broadcast news. I guess you don't have television in the cave, though. The demand for precise sources for items that were all over the news is always the penultimate evasion of the moonbat argument, to be followed by a claim that any source actually cited is biased and unreliable. Do your own research and refute it, Chuckles.
Wes's poor judgment in brinkmanship with the Russkiis in the midst of a supposedly-cooperative "Peacekeeping" mission is equally well-known, at least in the military which I grant may be terra incognita to you on the Left.
As to what milspeak translates into, just regard me as an expert witness on that one, I enlisted in 1975, was commissioned in 1982, and am still serving. I could give you the long version of the meaning of "Integrity issues" but what I posted above is as much as you would really grasp without having a context of service to put it into yourself.
This seems to be a pretty good explanation of why Clark was fired early from SACEUR:
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/11/17/031117fa_fact?currentPage=all
"Clark learned of the end of his two-year appointment as European commander in July, 1999. He had counted on getting the customary extension of another year, perhaps two, but the ceaseless battles with the Pentagon had precluded it. In Cohen’s office, the animosity against him was irreparable. One official who was involved in Clark’s hiring acknowledges that disagreements over policy matters and plans are inevitable during war: “But with Wes this became, as with everything else, the drama of ‘Will Wes’s moral rightness and brilliance be upheld and observed, or will it be thwarted?’ That became the nature of the drama, and if you were one of the people—notwithstanding having been dumb enough to give him the job—who were going to thwart his native brilliance, then you were going to get worked around and have five million other phone calls made, and it just got tiresome after a while.”"
Seems the brilliant Gen Clark was constantly going around his bosses, both SecDef Cohen and the Joint Chiefs and portraying himself as a brilliant strategist to the NATO folks. He was more like a Keystone Kop as far as the Balkans and Milosevic went....
Trogs,
Just wondering, do you ever post in the daylight? Try it, it might make a difference.
The truth is that McCain's service was not uncomplicated: he got shot down, which is a failure, he didn't so much as try to escape, which he's required by duty to do as an officer, and he collaborated with the enemy, albeit under torture.
Yeah, what a traitor for not sprinting away on his broken legs.
"I could give you the long version of the meaning of "Integrity issues" but what I posted above is as much as you would really grasp without having a context of service to put it into yourself." dumbass
Oh really. Integrity issues. I'd say that makes it your problem.
"The demand for precise sources for items that were all over the news is always the penultimate evasion of the moonbat argument, to be followed by a claim that any source actually cited is biased and unreliable."
OK. Chill. I'm I sorry I used the "penultimate evasion" tactic. I couldn't help it. I'm just a cave dweller for Christ's sake. And you're right, you bastard, we couldn't get cable back in the day. So I'll just have to trust your wise and unfiltered look to the past. Not. I'm 56. I remember. Put up or shut up.
Clark is a self-promoting douchebag (apologies to db's everywhere) who's never met a camera or mirror he didn't like. But what he said was the simple truth.
The phony Republican/McCain outrage is just so friggin' tiresome.
How about, just for a laugh, the candidates focus on something that might actually matter.
Oh, sorry, Opium dream...
...I'm feeling better now.
Trogs, Just wondering, do you ever post in the daylight? Try it, it might make a difference.
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