Thursday, July 14, 2011

Obama's debt threat: No Social Security for you!



President Obama has issued his debt threat: No Social Security for you! Unless the Rethugs agree to raise the debt ceiling by August 2, Obama is threatening to withhold SS checks. That's right, Mr. President, make an empty threat designed to scare seniors sh*tless, in order to get your way! Such leadership!

So, is this brilliant political strategy or irresponsible scare tactics? Opinion is divided in DUmmieland, as we see in this THREAD, "If no deal by Aug. 2, Obama can't guarantee Social Security checks will go out."

So let us see what the DUmmies think of Obama's debt threat, in Bolshevik Red, while the commentary of your humble guest correspondent, Charles Henrickson, who wouldn't mind if Social Security TAXES went away after August 2, is in the [Barackets]:

If no deal by Aug. 2, Obama can't guarantee Social Security checks will go out

[You've heard of MediScare, the Democrats' favorite scare tactic? This is a variation on the theme: Social Insecurity, aka Social Scarity.]

the situation which the GOP will be blamed for.

[Brilliant! Let the country default, scare the seniors, saddle our grandchildren with a mountain of debt--it doesn't matter, as long as we can blame the Rethugs!]

Why on earth would he not be able to guarantee SS payments? This is a threat, a bluff, and a terrible one.

[But look, this is an opportunity to scare seniors and blame Rethugs! What's not to like?]

I don't think you understand basic politics.

[It's very base indeed.]

If I worked for the feds, I would volunteer to work on the mailing. Ditto if I were a member of Congress or a staffer of a member. Has he asked anyone to volunteer?

[I want to see Barney Frank down in the mailroom, stuffing envelopes. He has Franking privileges, you know.]

In his statements about halting OASDI payments. . . .

[DUmmie No Elephants drops the inside-baseball, I'm-smarter-than-you "OASDI" term. "OASDI" stands for "Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance," and apparently, it's the technical term for Social Security. Of course, no one in real life refers to Social Security as "OASDI." But DUmmie No Elephants does. A lot. EIGHTEEN TIMES in this thread she says "OASDI"--and no one else does! No one asks her, "No Elephants, you keep using this term 'OASDI.' What does that mean? Please enlighten us. Boy, you must be pretty smart to know that insider lingo!" But no one takes the bait! Hee! Hee! No Elephants is the Know-it-all Nadin of this thread.]

does Obama really make a very clear distinction between direct deposit checks--the bulk of the payments--and hand mailed checks, or does he just alarm ALL feeble disabled and elderly folks?

[Alarm them all! Scare seniors sh*tless! It's a tried-and-true Democrat tactic.]

he is playing a very sick game and I do not like it!

[What are you, some kind of LOUSY FREEPER TROLL???]

What do the tax cuts have to do with the deficit? EVERYTHING. They caused the deficit.

[Spending has nothing to do with the deficit at all. NOTHING.]

it's a smart move by Obama. This forces AARP and Seniors who are already pissed off at the Republicans and Paul Ryan to get into the fight.

[Now they'll be pissing into their Depends out of fright.]

Yeah, nothing's as smart as scaring the beejesus out of the elderly and disabled so they fight your battles for you.

[I detect a note of sarcasm.]

He is lying , or playing naive , he can Guarantee it

[Obama can GUARANTEE that he's a liar!]

Let's wait and see if this backfires on him before we comment on how smart this is.

[No, no, this is a BRILLIANT move by Obama! Guaranteed to work! Get those champagne bottles chilled down fast, we're gettin' ready to PAR-TEE!!]

He's using the life insurance salesman's ploy. Selling fear.

[The Democrats' chief weapon is fear. . . . Fear and class warfare. . . . Their two chief weapons are fear and class warfare. . . .]

Booga Booga. You created this Administration, Mr. O. Congratulations on the FUBAR.

[The era of Booga Government is almost over.]

What does the Administration have to do with the default?

The administration has nothing to do with it. It's our fault.

[Silly, it's BUSH'S default, remember?]

So it's okay to play politics with people's livelihood? Kinda f***ed up, if you ask me.

[Nobody asked you.]

Apparently, IOKIODI. (It's O.K if Obama does it.) If Bush had done this, though. WOWZA!

[WOWZA. (We Oppose W Zealously Always.)]

This man is Disgust personified. Does he think we're all stupid?

[Is that a rhetorical question?]

it IS theft and fraud, it's a giant ponzi scheme

[A most succinct description of Social Security, thank you. However, I cannot guarantee your Kewpie Doll will go out.]

I believe the government will end social security and medicare, but they will have to do it slowly. . . .

[Great! Just give me back what I paid in, don't tax me anymore on these stupid programs, and I'll fend for myself.]

Leave it be said ( and I know this to be a fact), there are private groups of citizens forming all over the country to take on the government if they deny the people their justly earned benefits. I will be with these people with every piece or hardware I can carry. I would rather have the US go down completely than live under the rule of Koch Brother types.

[The DUAC Militia is drilling as we speak. In an undisclosed location somewhere on Skins's Island, the primitives are applying war paint and sharpening their sticks. Drums are beating rhythmically, as campfires are being lit. "Re-vo-LU-tion, re-vo-LU-tion," the drums call out. . . .]

This is probably the first intelligent thing he has done.

[Damning with faint prez.]

Put fear into vets, the disabled and seniors? For what?

[For political advantage, of course.]

Dangerous game of chicken and not what a leader should do.

[Chicken Stoop.]

He is the POTUS. The buck stops with him.

[The bucks stop with him.]

Bad move. The Republicans won't care if we eat cat food.

[Your cat will.]

He is a damn fool for pulling this one out of his hip pocket. It will hang over his head until he is no longer the President and thereafter as well. It could damage the Democratic party as a whole in fact! What a freakin fool he is. ENOUGH OF THE CRAP ALREADY MR. PRESIDENT!!!!!!!

[CRAP AND TIRADE!]

Soon it will look like the streets of Calcutta the way things are going. As for Pres. Obama - he can go to hell! . . . SHAME SHAME SHAME ON YOU MR. PRESIDENT!

[I'll take that as a "Disapprove."]

There is a difference in understanding displayed in this thread. That makes me sad.

I am always amazed when I see posts like this one. It makes me sad.

Reactionary Screamers make me sad. . . .

[You know what makes me sad? YOU DO! No wait, on second thought, you DUmmies make me LAFF!]

Figure on eating your last fresh fruit or vegetable in the fall. . . .

[Veggie Fails: The Rise and Fall of the Romaine Expire]

some of us seniors know we are about to be put out to slaughter through no fault of Obama.

[Where do you think more cat food will come from?]

I don't even think a Republican would make this threat.

WHAT threat?

[Obama's debt threat.]

Scaring old and disabled people is poor leadership. . . .

[But it's one of the two chief cards the Democrats play. Scaring old people and class warfare. . . . And the race card. . . . THREE. . . . Amongst the cards the Democrats play. . . .]

He just played the "GOP starving the seniors" card...hahahaha!

[And more debt threats to come! What a guy!]

17 Comments:

Anonymous troglaman said...

"Obama is threatening to withhold SS checks. That's right, Mr. President, make an empty threat designed to scare seniors sh*tless, in order to get your way! Such leadership!" PJinc

What the fuck are you talking about? And don't you jackasses want to do away with Social Security anyway? Welcome to your future. This should be a dream come true for you sauce pans. You should be happy.

Do this, PJinc - explain, as best you can, what would happen if we default. Why is Obama's statement regarding Social Security checks false? What does Wall Street think about defaulting?

Know what? As far as I can figure, you douche-monkeys don't have a fucking clue. What a surprise!

And you were saying something about leadership...

1:36 AM  
Blogger David Drake said...

The point of the matter is simple. Anytime a republican uses this tactic, it's called fear mongering. I believe mention was made as to what the outcry would've been had a Republican president said this same thing, and yet...crickets.
Adults face difficult decisions and choose the one that sucks less. Social Security is quite dead already. Give me back the money in my paystub and I'll set up a better retirement plan than $255 a month or whatever nonsense they're screaming about. Intentions don't matter in this case, there is NO money.
If I go to the bank and tell them I'm a little tight this month can't we raise the debt ceiling, they'd laugh me right out of the office and into the street.
No one in this country will starve, that's not what Americans do, we pull together when it's needful.

1:27 PM  
Anonymous Elrond Hubbard said...

"Why is Obama's statement regarding Social Security checks false?"

It's not. Get those seniors panicked, get them angry then blame everything on the the Rethuglicans. It worked for Clinton, it'll work for Obama, it's part of his re-election strategy. If there is a government shut-down we all know that SS and veterans' pensions will be the first thing Obama stops paying; it's his game plan.

Meanwhile the FY 2011 deficit will be $1.52 TRILLION. The Baby Boomers are fucked,the victims of bad timing, retiring just as the nation goes belly up. The Social Security trust fund is a hoax, the politicans broke into that lock box years ago.

Obama wants to raise taxes only to spend more money, he has no intention of making any meaningful cuts in the federal budget. Troggy, you douche nozzle, give me the name of one structural entitlement that Obama will cut.

You can't because he won't.

Eventually the spendfest will come to an end. We'll be Greece writ large---and China won't bail us out.

BTW. Is this Recovery Summer or was that last year?

4:45 PM  
Blogger Skul said...

Hi, troggy-troll.

8:50 PM  
Anonymous troglaman said...

"VAN SUSTEREN:so that even if we do hit the debt ceiling and there is still some government shutdown, those checks still go out because the revenue from them is from people working?

BOEHNER: Ohhh, I don’t believe so. At the end of the day, it all comes out of the general fund, and the general fund is expected to be out of cash come August 3rd or August 4th...."

Well well well. So where's the outrage, PJinc? Or do you live in a world where both Obama and Boehner can say exactly the same thing but mean something entirely different. And everyone has a pony.

"So, is this (Boehner's) brilliant political strategy or irresponsible scare tactics?"

PJinc?

That's your question. Answer it maybe?

12:33 AM  
Anonymous troglaman said...

Hook, line and sinker, elrond. You're a dimwit.

Here's a novel thought - both Obama and Boehner are actually telling the truth. It's not a scare tactic. It's a fact (which means absolutely nothing to you...I know).

All evidence points to both Obama and Boehner telling the truth (I know...I know...who the hell cares...)

Can one of you present one little itty bitty kernel of truth about whether they're wrong or not?

Didn't think so.

1:06 AM  
Anonymous Elrond Hubbard said...

Troggy you're right. We should thank Obama and Boehner for telling the truth. There is no Social Security "trust fund", there are no "trustees", there is no $2.6 trillion set aside for us senior citizens in our golden years. There's just an "IOU" signed by Uncle Sam.

Currently the federal government borrows 43 cents of every dollar it spends. It takes in $2 trillion a year and spends $3.7 trillion, we're borrowing $5 billion a DAY. Obama has taken Bush's unsustainable deficits and blasted off for Sparkle Pony Land.

This is Obama's "new normal", 9.2% unemployment, a declining housing market, a flat economy. Get used to it. Get used to sharing your dog's dinner. My cat won't share his.

5:16 PM  
Anonymous troglaman said...

"Troggy you're right. We should thank Obama and Boehner for telling the truth. There is no Social Security "trust fund", there are no "trustees", there is no $2.6 trillion set aside for us senior citizens in our golden years." elrond

Really? And are you also saying that not issuing SS checks in August if we default is some sort of accurate measure of whether or not the trust exists? Yes. Yes you are. And one other thing, if what Boehner and Obama are saying is true, then all this stuff about scare tactics is utter bullshit...

WHICH IS WHERE WE STARTED. Yours and PJinc's cry of "scare tactics" is complete and utter crap.

You can't have it both ways, elrond. You can't claim the president is using despicable scare tactics then turn around and claim the trust has been looted, pillaged, and we're all going to die...

It's one or the other, you baboon. But, know what? You are going to keep bewildering me with shit like this forever. You ALL are. Holding both contradictory beliefs is no problem. It's a fucking wonder.

I feel like an archeologist who's come upon a rich dig.

2:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Troglafuck screamed: What the fuck are you talking about? And don't you jackasses want to do away with Social Security anyway? Welcome to your future. This should be a dream come true for you sauce pans. You should be happy.


Know what? As far as I can figure, you douche-monkeys don't have a fucking clue. What a surprise!

And you were saying something about leadership...

You're clueless fuck, Troglafuck. Shut the fuck up, fuck off and go fuck yourself.

3:08 PM  
Anonymous Elrond Hubbard said...

"Nice little Social Security check you got there Grandma. It would be a shame if anything happened to it." [Our Chicago Godfather]

I glad you agree that there is no Social Security trust fund and no lock box, let's put that myth to rest. But the feds will have enough money in August to pay SS recipients and the interest on the debt, if Obama wants to.

But he would rather scare old people.

Some President, we used to have Chief Executives who assured Americans, now we have one who threatens us.

6:58 PM  
Anonymous troglaman said...

"I glad you agree that there is no Social Security trust fund and no lock box, let's put that myth to rest." elrond

What? I, troglaman, didn't agree to any such thing. I was addressing your bullshit "scar-tactics" claim, you slippery asswipe (scare tactics which you engage in by proclaiming SS doesn't exist anymore). Without offering one smidgen of truth, you end up doing exactly what you accuse Obama of doing AND bizarrely wrap it up thusly:

"Some President, we used to have Chief Executives who assured Americans, now we have one who threatens us."

So let me get this straight...even though SS is an already plundered and pillaged entity...and Obama and Boehner have said SS checks might not go out in August...they're "threatening" us and not offering enough "assurance".

My inner homo isn't this big of pussy. But maybe he can be of service...

Everything's going to be all right, elrond. Go back to sleep now. Here...I've got a special sucker for you.

12:32 AM  
Anonymous troglaman said...

"You're clueless fuck, Troglafuck. Shut the fuck up, fuck off and go fuck yourself." troglanon

I, the mighty trog, am going to bring this up every time one of you sanctimonious assholes accuses be of being a potty mouth.

On the other hand, keep it up, fuck face. I don't give a flying fuck...a motherfucking fuck...your mother buttfucking your kid with a strap-on type of fuck (after doing your dad with the same fucking device). I don't fucking care........Dear God! Why have I become so suddenly and so strangely excited?

My Home Decoration magazines are beckoning, my friends...as are my knitting tools. Be safe!

1:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aren't the checks all already cut and mailed, or direct deposited, by or on Monday, August 1st...? So saying that you 'Can't guarantee them after August 3rd' really means you can't guarantee they will arrive in September?

DAT

8:40 AM  
Anonymous Elrond Hubbard said...

The money to pay SS recipients is available; the federal government takes in $200 billion+ a month through income, excise taxes and FICA tax, etc. That's not enough to pay all the government bills but it is enough to pay Grandma's pension(mine too BTW).

Obama is just practicing a little political thuggery.

4:03 PM  
Anonymous troglaman said...

"That's not enough to pay all the government bills but it is enough to pay Grandma's pension(mine too BTW)." elrond

So you know more than Obama and Boehner. How comforting.

Well then...those bills that we can't pay because we've decided to pay grandma's pension? Those are the ones we default on. Right? Which one's are those, elrond? Bet you can't tell me.

And what about the next month? And the one after that? Forethought matters.

When we default, the interest rate on the trillions and trillions we've borrowed just went up a few points. Care to do the math? The deficit is about to grow monumentally right before your eyes. Why? Because you stump-grinders remarkably think you're reducing the deficit by defaulting. That's why. And you mystifyingly think this will have absolutely no effect on the general fund now or in the very near future.

Most of you think of a 'debt ceiling' in terms of 'popcorn texture' anyway. Admit it.

So Social Security and Medicare should be our priorities, elrond? We should assure our seniors that everything's peachy. Is that what you're saying? You'd have to admit that's a rather surprising stance. Very non-Galt of you.

2:58 AM  
Blogger TANSTAAFL said...

"(scare tactics which you engage in by proclaiming SS doesn't exist anymore)"

Does the drool on your chin ever dry?

11:16 AM  
Anonymous Jerome Goolsby said...

Elrond Hubbard said...

The money to pay SS recipients is available; the federal government takes in $200 billion+ a month through income, excise taxes and FICA tax, etc. That's not enough to pay all the government bills but it is enough to pay Grandma's pension(mine too BTW).

Obama is just practicing a little political thuggery.


It's also enough to pay interest on our debt which is what will define default. You're right Elrond, this is pure political thuggery, but don't think for a moment The Obamassiah won't decide to screw over Social Security recipients, veterans, the disabled and the military if the debt ceiling isn't raised. There are more than enough media ass-kissers out there who will give him cover he'll feel comfortable doing it. None of this changes the fact that the debt ceiling should not be raised under ANY circumstances.

6:26 PM  

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