The DUmmies say "No deal!" to PelosiCare

Well, it looks like we're not the only ones who can't stand the House health "reform" bill. The DUmmies hate PelosiCare too! Of course their reasons may not line up with ours, but still, it shows that NOBODY really likes what the Dems are doing, and that's a good thing.

BTW, before we get into this thread, did you see the other day where Nurse Nancy claims to have read all 1,900 pages of the bill PLUS 1,300 pages of additional reports? "I've read 3,200 pages," she said. RI-I-IGHT! Nancy, I think we'll have to call you "Pelossio" for that whopper! Is your nose growing?



Look, Pelossio, I recently did a careful reading of an 800-page book, and it took me 60-70 hours, or about 12 pages an hour. For other heavy academic reading, like prepping for comprehensive exams, I could do maybe 30 pages an hour. Let's say with your superior intellect, Nan, you can manage 32 pages an hour. For 3,200 pages, that's ONE HUNDRED HOURS OF READING! Nancy, who ya kiddin'?

Now back to the DUmmies. A small sampling of their displeasure with Nurse Nancy's bill is seen is this THREAD, "What is the biggest deal-breaker for you on the House health insurance reform bill?" Keep in mind: These are DEMOCRATS on DEMOCRATIC Underground complaining about a DEMOCRAT-passed bill! And they say it's full of "deal-breakers"!

Nurse Nancy is quickly turning into Nurse Ratched for the residents of the DU cuckoo's nest. Their complaints are noted in Got-it-all Red, while the commentary of your humble guest correspondent, Charles Henrickson--whose instant deal-breakers on any type of government-run health care are a) it's a violation of the Tenth Amendment, the federal government assuming a power not delegated to it in the Constitution, and b) it's a form of involuntary servitude, forcing some citizens to pay the bills of others--is in the [brackets]:

Poll question: What is the biggest deal-breaker for you on the House health insurance reform bill?

[Deal or No Deal? No deal!]

Poll result (95 votes)
Mandate to purchase insurance from private, for-profit corporation (54 votes, 57%)
No access to "public option" except for the poor and uninsurable (13 votes, 14%)
No effective controls on rising insurance premiums (6 votes, 6%)
The Stupak amendment (10 votes, 11%)
Concerns about availability of health procedures in general (2 votes, 2%)
No regulation of administrative cost ratios (1 votes, 1%)
No ability of states to pursue single-payer plans (2 votes, 2%)
Other (please specify) (7 votes, 7%)

[All of the above (95 votes, 100%)]

Your list only scratches the surface.

[It's Problematic Underground.]

which is why I want to hear from everyone what their own major problems are with the bill.

[Venting session now open! Take a number.]

1,2, and 7.

[25 or 6 to 4. No deal.]

I don't think stupak's will make it past the Senate.

[The Stupak amendment would exclude abortion from the health care coverage. But not being able to kill your baby and have that covered as "health care" is a BIG problem for the DUmmies. No deal.]

Other-all of the above, but top of the list is the mandates. It penalizes the poor who may have too much money to qualify for Medicaid but not enough to buy insurance. It puts them in a "Do I eat, or buy insurance, or risk being penalized and even criminalized if I don't buy the insurance?" position.

[GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL. DO NOT PASS GO, DO NOT COLLECT $200.]

What about "I love sausage"

[Link?]

The main concern is that once a bill is signed by Obama, most of our current legislators will never touch health insurance reform again. . . .

[Because they'll be booted out of office in 2010!]

And you know all this how? Maybe your crystal ball needs new batteries . . .

[Batteries not included. Another deal-breaker.]

we can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Even after months of public focus on health care we can barely mobilize any resistance to really bad proposals.

[DUAC! DUAC!]

You left out, "all of the above and more." I have not found ANYTHING that is improved by this atrocity.

[It's all bad! No deal.]

It is so far from good that it is not even in the same universe as perfect.

[They love it on Bizarro World!]

I'm with you. I can't vote. There's nothing to like. I can't pick just one thing.

[I'll take that as a "No deal."]

All of the above.

[No deal.]

All of the above

[No deal.]

To be fair, you should add a line for those who support the bill.

[All three of them.]

the poll is set up with the assumption that a single issue is the way we make decisions instead of a gestalt

[We make the decision to say "gestalt" instead of "unified whole," because it makes us sound smarter.]

And you know this how?

[I heard the word "Gestalt" back in Psychology class in college, that's how.]

the sequence of events in Canada which led there to national single payer was that one of the provinces started that, it spread to the others, and finally became national.

[It was kind of like Canadian kudzu.]

All of the above. Not worth the paper the lobbyists supplied to print in on.

[At 1,900 pages, the paper it's printed on might be worth quite a bit, actually. Times 435 representatives . . . that's a small Brazilian rainforest!]

The bill should move forward.

[Off the desk and into the trashcan!]

Stupak is abominable.

[Abortion is stupendous.]

All of the above.

[No deal.]

all of the above, but if I had to narrow, 1, 3, 4 as the worst. but they're all bad, so its kinda hard to differentiate.

[Tied for first.]

These are all awful.

[Tied for worst.]

With a mandate though, it's like having the government send Revenuers around to rub my nose in the horsesh*t that this bill's healthcare would remain- at gunpoint.

[You are not far from the truth, grasshopper. We'll make a conservative out of you yet!]

Mandatory purchase of their crap.

[Another prospect!]

None of those are deal-breakers. The Stupak Amendment comes extremely close though.

[The DUmmies are stuck on Stupak.]

The f*cking mandates.

[benburch has had some of those man-dates. No deal!]