Monday, September 14, 2009

DUmmies & KOmmies Frustrated By 9/12 DC Time Lapse Video

AIIIIIIEEEEEEE!!!! MY EYES! MY EYES!

Yes, that is the sound of the DUmmies and KOmmies shriveling in pain in the face of the time lapse VIDEO that clearly shows that the 9/12 Tea Party in Washington, D.C. numbered in the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS at the very least and more likely well over a million. The Daily Mail put the number at two million and the the time lapse video certainly shows it could well have hit that figure. And this is why the DUmmies and KOmmies are acting towards that time lapse video like vampires confronted by a cross. So what to do? What to do? Well, what they do is come up with a plethora of highly laughable conspiracy theories regarding that time lapse video which you can see in this DUmmie THREAD, "ABC News Was Misquoted on (9/12 Protest) Crowd Size," and this KOmmie THREAD, "Is Malkin Selling Phony March Numbers?" So let us now watch the DUmmies and KOmmies engage in time lapse video reality denial in Bolshevik Red while the commentary of your humble correspondent, noting that the MSM is currently pretending that nothing much happened in D.C. on Saturday, is in the [brackets}:


ABC News Was Misquoted on (9/12 Protest) Crowd Size

[But the Daily Mail which put the crowd size at 2 MILLION was accurately quoted.]

At no time did ABC News, or its affiliates, report a number anywhere near as large. ABCNews.com reported an approximate figure of 60,000 to 70,000 protesters, attributed to the Washington, D.C., fire department.

[One look at the time lapse video tells us that there were easily ten times those numbers at the very least. And now to see the rest of the DUmmies engage in a reality denial routine...]

They are all liars. The truth means nothing to them. They will continue to insist there was a million and a half people there today.

[Don't believe your lyin' eyes of what the time lapse video clearly tells you.]

By calculation crowd extent, and making a few educated guesses on density, I have a number of 20K. 60K would be near impossible (that would require a density of 1 person per every 5 sq ft. and by looking at closeups, there was plenty of room for lawn chairs and blankets and such.)

[Please don't view the time lapse video without incredibly dark lenses that won't allow the light in. The harsh image of reality could blind you on the spot.]

I estimated an upper bound of 30K for yesterday's event. Probably more like 20K or 25K. UNfortunately, I have yet to see a definitive overhead shot when they rallied at the capitol steps, but there was some "overlooking" video, and you can see the trees and other landmarks where the crowd peters out.

[You mean the "overlooking" video where the crowd fills the wide street all the way into the far distance?]

Time lapse video shows the numbers... And they were large.

[AIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!!!! NO! NO! The truth hurts!!! OH MY EYES!!!]

It's kinda hard to count them in the video. It is moving too fast............

[Which makes the estimate even larger. The crowd is moving fast yet they keep filling Pennsylvania Ave. waaaaaaay into the distance.]

Pennsylvania Ave is about 180 ft across (including sidewalks) and 6000 ft long from the point where the pictures were taken (easily confirmed with google maps). If the spacing was on average 4 ft between people, then the length of Pennsylvania avenue holds 67,500. And it is clear that the video shows the crowd moving down the street, filling it, and keeping it filled for some time. Without a time stamp it would be hard to judge, but the crowd was much more than 50-70K - probably 3-4 times that.

[Please stop! I beg you please stop with the truth! It hurts too much. Please, no more truth...]

I don't know what time increment was used for this, or if the increment was changed at the end, but at 0:16, the crowd takes a huge leap, from massing a half block from the closest intersection, to all the way down the street to the Capital.. Scrubbing through it, I would think it would be a more gradual progression than that.

[Let the Time Lapse Video Conspiracy Theories Begin!!!]

It is not clear what the time lapse sequence is, but the video itself seems to be genuine, and a rough estimate shows that the crowd was huge.

[Stop with the truth already!!!]

Can the source of that video be verified? I don't see any time/date stamp, and we've already seen some cases od RWers trying to pass off photos of old events (see elsewhere in this thread) as depicting Saturday's tea-bagger event.

[The source of the video was Lucy Ramirez who posted the video to YouTube from a Kinko's in Amarillo TX.]

Problem with that is, when I got to the site yesterday that the cam does the live feed, the flag was at full staff ... now, it may be later afternoon, but when is a "govt worker" doing work on a Saturday, raising the flag from half-staff to full staff after a march? So the evidence is in question ...

[Posted a DUmmie with his brain at permanent half-staff.]

Time stamp. Does that say 12:56 p.m. PT (Pacific Time)? So that makes it, what, 9:56 a.m. Eastern Time, right?

[Right. According to DUmmie time zone calculations, the East Coast is always 3 hours earlier than the West Coast.]

I was lone progressive with the "Tax The Rich" sign. I received a lot of ridicule and scorned looks. There were definitely not 1.5 million people there. Best I can figure is it was closer to 1 million. However, I tell you this sincerely because I don't want my bretheren to underestimate the growing threat.

[The lone DUmmie there reluctantly admits to 1 million at the DC Tea Party. An inconvenient truth for his comrades.]

I was on the Mall yesterday and at the Inauguration in January. I'd say no less than half a million yesterday. It was a little scary, to be honest. I had no idea emotions were running that deep.

[No LESS than a half million and most likely 3 to 4 times that number. OUCH! The truth hurts! And now to the reality denying KOmmies...]

Is Malkin Selling Phony March Numbers?

[Stand by for yet more Time Lapse Video Conspiracy theories.]

This is the lead photo on Malkin's site, where she claims tha the march numbered two million. It's bein widely reproduced all over the Right-Wing blogosphere. There's a problem, though: the livecam from which this shot was taken shows a flag flying at full mast, not half-mast.

[And a KOmmie revealing a half-mast mind.]

A second problem: this webcam is looking at the traffic on 14th Street. The Teabaggers gathered at Freedom Plaza and marched down Pennsylvania Avenue, not 14th St.

[Was Lucy Ramirez working the camera?]

Where and when was this shot taken? What rally was this? Was this actually the Teabaggers March today? Or is Malkin trying to deceive her followers (it wouldn't be the first time, certainly.)

[The video shot was taken on May 12, 2006, just 24 business hours ago.]

Because if Malkin is cheating, she deserves to get a big "FAIL."

[Yes, Michelle used movie maker software to add in a CGI crowd.]

Perhaps the first photo was taken while the flag was being raised. I don't know. Did the marchers proceed down 14th St? I don't know. While I certainly acknowledge that there were thousands of people there, there is a magnitude of difference between "tens of thousands" and "millions. How many people were there? I don't know.

[Key phrase: "I don't know."]

Can any of the DC Kossacks on the spot answer these questions?

[Translation: "Help me out with my reality denial."]

UPDATE @ - A few Kossacks who were actually around at the time that this screenshot was grabbed state that it is authentic. There is no time/date stamp on it, so it is unknown when it was actually photographed. Malkin herself is using this photo to claim that 2 million people attended today, and that therefore the Tea Party movement is not "fringe." The screenshot is her #1 piece of evidence for her claim.

[SOB! I placed my faith in your bizarre conspiracy theories and now you tell me the screenshot is authentic. But...but that means there must have been HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people there, maybe even...MILLIONS!!!]

I believe that Malkin has vastly overestimated the attendance numbers and is using a particularly dense segment of the marching crowd to give the impression of a vastly more populated march. This, to me, still constitutes "cheating with photos," in the sense that you are misinterpreting the photographic visuals in order to persuade the easily deceived. Colin Powell did much the same thing, philosophically, when he presented the satellite photographs of Iraqi "biochemical weapons facilities" to the UN.

[Yeah, a dense segment that kept on going and going and going...all the way into the far far distance.]

As far as the foolishness of a person who asks skeptical questions about facts averred on slim or contradictory evidence, all I can say is I would rather ask those "foolish" questions to similar skeptics than let potential deceptions pass unchallenged. Thank you to all who answered my questions with generosity and good will.

[And thank you for all the great DUFU comedy material. Now on to the other KOmmies...]

Maybe it was the inauguration?

[Yeah, maybe the camera captured the segment of the crowd that dressed incredibly lightly for the sub-freezing temperatures that day.]

The flag was at half staff for Kennedy, he was buried last week, it goes back to full staff TODAY. Quit with this conspiracy nonsense. It makes us look ridiculous.

[Shhhh!!! Don't discourage them. Ridiculous is also FUnnie and we need the DUFU comedy material.]

The webcam grab May be legit.

[Dude, where's my bizarre conspiracy theory?]

This shot looks to me to be approximately 100-feet by a half-mile or so. 250,000 sq. ft., or 6 acres, to slide rule pre-calculation guesstimation. 120,000 to 150,000 people. Right in front of the camera. Then you add the participants who were not in this image.

[Then you are talking well over a million.]

There is no legitimate reason for a Flag to have been at half-staff this morning, and in the vast majority of cases the flage would have been raised shortly after sunrise. It is, however you slice it, highly suspicious for that flag to be flying at half-staff.

[Since the webcam proves the crowd was at least HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS let us go back to square one and claim the half staff conspiracy theories again.]

In the first photo you can see someone at the base of the flag pole... In the second photo the individual is gone.

[A KOmmie trying to wrap his tiny mind around the concept of time LAPSE photography.]

This is going to bite us in the ass!!

[Yup! And present us with some incredible DUFU comedy material.]

They raise the flag at dawn.

[A KOmmie experiences a tremendous revelation.]

Yep, it's half mast in the photo. But it's FULL MAST live. Right now, if you look at the feed. SHE'S LYING!

[CASE CLOSED! Audience rolling in the aisles laughing!]

gotta say, they're a clean bunch. No trash left behind, spotless streets. Of course, that could be the result of UNION streetcleaners too.

[Um, no. That is the result of tea party demonstrators cleaning up after themselves unlike leftwing slobs who leave a mess behind when they get together.]

Let's not jump to conclusions here people. We don't want to get caught making false accusations.

[Go ahead and accuse away. The comedy nuggets provided are priceless.]

Where's that tiny white and red thing I think it looks like a flag that's in the Malkin photo but gone in the live shot.

[Aha! Karl Rove must have stolen that tiny white and red thing.]

I thought this was the reality based community...

[Too bad you are wrong.]

Send this to Keith Olbermann!

[So he can make a fool of himself yet again.]

They managed to get many, many thousands of people there today. What is the matter with you, putting forth these hysterical bogus charges? It makes you look like a crybaby. Stop it.

[Don't stop it. You want to kill the KOmmie KOmedy act?]

But the flag is half-mast...

[Please allow me to indulge in my bizarre conspiracy theory.]

The flag is probably illuminated at night and was being flown at half staff since yesterday. They were probably a little late taking it down (if the order is for 24 hours) or the order contained a noon lowering time. Or something. I'm saying that the picture is real, I know it personally. AND I AM NOT THE ENEMY HERE. I'm trying to make sure we don't make asses of ourselves about this.

[You certainly failed in that attempt.]

Why was the flag at half-mast this morning? Flags were ordered to half-mast for Kennedy on Aug. 30 for 5 days. It's well beyond that.

[Yet another KOmmie making an ass out of himself for our comedic entertainment.]

Maybe it was supposed to be lowered again at noon

[Maybe you're trying to think too much. The strain is causing too much pain.]

Obviously this is not Memorial Day. So either an exception has been made and the flag was flown at half mast for half a day for some strange reason, just today or there is indeed something fishy going on with Malkin's photo.

[Really! I could have sworn it was Memorial Day.]

This morning live shot was a narrow street and I saw it too. This is not the same street.

[DING! DING! DINGBAT! We now have a NEW conspiracy theory!]

There's a guy standing at the pole...... I'll bet he's altering the flag level to invalidate the photo evidence.

[Speaking of poles, do you prefer a butterfly net pole or a pogo stick pole?]

HERE IS THE LIVE CAM SHOT 3:41 A.M. I don't see the 2 Million People, do you?

[You're absolutely right. I don't see 2 million people on the D.C. streets at 3:41 A.M. either. Case closed!]

were people this nuts in the beginning?

[Yup! From the very beginning when KOmmieland first went online.]

Since yesterday was 9/11. wouldn't it have then come down at noon, yesterday? Perhaps someone screwed up and was supposed to take it down yesterday and didn't; I don't know. But either there was a half-mast flag screw up or Malkin's photo was a tad doctored up.

[Since we can't face the brutal reality of what the time lapse video showed, we need to continue presenting laughable conspiracy theories to explain it away.]

I will bet my house that there were nowhere near 2m in dc today.

[Welcome to homelessness. There were more than 2m in just the first block of that MASSIVE crowd stretching waaaaay into the distance on that video you don't believe in because a flag was at half-staff.]

The crowd was there, I watched on this same traffic cam live feed earlier this morning.

[Please! STOP with the reality check!!!]

hey the flag on the first photo is @ half mast.

[That means only a hundred people showed up in DC, right?]

Pennsylvania Ave. is especially wide, because of the Inaugural festivities that use it every four years, even the sidewalks are really wide (with trees, as you can see).

[And since the crowd completely fills it waaaaay into the distance that would mean...OOOPS!]

Note the wind changed direction, too. It happens, of course, but very curious.

[A flag flap conspiracy theory?]

47 Comments:

Anonymous Foxx said...

You want to know why the flag was at half staff....


9/11 YOU MORONS!

11:49 AM  
Anonymous susieq2cute said...

In that they are Dummies and Kommies, I'm not sure they know the significance of 9/11.

12:23 PM  
Anonymous Elrond Hubbard said...

Susie,

The DUmmies believe that 9/11 attacks and the 9/12 rally are part of the same dark Rovian conspiracy.

1:13 PM  
Anonymous DumbAss Tanker said...

From the irrelevant esoteric math gymnastics, I would have sworn "Truth is All" had returned from the outer darkness!

Hahahahahaha!

4:32 PM  
Anonymous susieq2cute said...

Oh, EH, I understand the lefties and their dopey conspiracy theories. I'm just saying they don't understand that 9/11 is a time for mourning in our country, for love of country.

5:58 PM  
Anonymous Elrond Hubbard said...

susie,

After reading the DU's 9/11 threads (a nauseating task) I have to agree with you. I'd say that 30% of the DUmmies think Bush caused 9/11, 30% believe he allowed it to happen while rest of the rest think he took advantage of 9/11 to expand the empire. The deaths of 3,000 people is purely incidental to them, they cannot get over their Bushler/Chimpy obsessions.

7:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

many people.

But,if the left won't accept,
well there is 2010.

Mid-term elections hit popular Pres. ones with low
polls,worst...train wreck.

Sung to the tune:"Its beginning to look a lot like Christmas"
He's beginning to look a lot like Nixon...every where he goes

7:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, with one half-baked conspiracy theory about the video after another popping up, it's beginning to look a lot like Loose Change: The (Next) Sequel...

The Observer

10:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

YooHoo, troggyyyy, suzie2's here.
Jump in little man, show us how macho you are.
Don't forget the crude, childish, sexual refences little man. Just wouldn't be you without them.

Skul

11:41 PM  
Anonymous troglaman said...

"9/12 Tea Party in Washington, D.C. numbered in the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS at the very least and more likely well over a million." PJinc

According to Fox, etc. Everybody else estimates the turn-out comparible to the capacity of Husky stadium.

And didn't you find it a little weird to see people holding up signs praising Fox News? A media "news" outlet.

Has anyone seen a liberal holding up a sign for CBS?. Or NBC? Or ABC? Or MSNBC? CNN?

The answer's no.

Step back a second and wonder about this. Carrying a sign for Fox News.

I can tell you this, gutless wonders: I, troglaman, wouldn't even consider carrying a sign for a 'news' outlet.

And the diversity at these rallies was AMAZING in it's depth and variety. Every white American was represented.

2:12 AM  
Anonymous Sassy said...

And here I thought a person's skin color didn't matter to a DUmmy.

2:21 AM  
Blogger al fin said...

Thanks for exposing the comic losers.

Someone has to fill in the left hand extreme of the IQ curve. You put hour finger on them.

9:44 AM  
Anonymous DumbAss Tanker said...

"Has anyone seen a liberal holding up a sign for CBS?. Or NBC? Or ABC? Or MSNBC? CNN?"

Pravda? Izvestia? Red Star? al-Arabiya?

Maybe the reason is the (I would think obvious) one that only Fox has provided any significant positive coverage of the run-up to the event, and the rest did their best to ignore it or insinuate dark motives to it? That concept is probably beyond your Troglagrasp, though, since it would involve removing your Troglablinders.

10:53 AM  
Anonymous Shambhala said...

Stop baiting the "Inner Homo".

I know it's fun, but it would be nice to discuss something without the feces flinging, publicly-masturbating,syphilitic chimp.

1:09 PM  
Anonymous Elrond Hubbard said...

Jeez, Troggy, is that the best you can do? I'm surprised you didn't say "Faux News". And all those gauche white people, walking around Washington like they were American citizens exercising their right to assemble. Were you similarly distressed by all those negroes at the Milion Man March?

2:28 PM  
Anonymous jewels said...

interesting that these people would see Kennedy's death as a reason to lower the flag... but haven't a clue why people would want to do such a thing for 9/11.

It's like they have a mental block for that atrocity.

2:35 PM  
Anonymous susieq2cute said...

Do you have something against white folks, troggy? Are you a racist?

I know you never carried a sign at all those protest rallies you attended (such as they were). I heard you always wore a huge paper mache head. It had duel purposes; (1) to cover your hideous face and (2) you heard that hippie girls were turned on by those monstrous heads.

8:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Once again, liberals aren't even bright enough to know how they should be viewing this issue. Instead they talk about irrelevant issues like some that carried media signs and the race of those at the protest. Ever been to an anti-war protest? I have, both in NY and SF. You aren't going to find a more lily white group than those who attend those little spectacles. Even African-Americans don't want anything to do with the "Free Mumia" freaks.

It's to the point that if they can't frame their arguments correctly, then it's going to have to be done for them. The correct liberal/progresive response should be:

"Of course millions and millions showed up to this rally. The corporate media practically begged their supporters to march, and this show of force is to intimidate so they can increase their blood money and keep their jackboots on the necks of the working class. And Obama could not be more pleased as he is one of them. The endless wars will not cease and the attack on the working class will grow more repressive. But we must be strong comrades and work towards the day when all heirarchy is abolished and the principles of communism is fully realized."

USA4ME

9:53 PM  
Anonymous troglaman said...

"And here I thought a person's skin color didn't matter to a DUmmy." Sassy

Boy are you fuckers sensitive about this. Wonder why? I, troglaman, didn't say it mattered. You did, just now. I said the demonstration was white. Care to dispute that?

2:56 AM  
Anonymous troglaman said...

"Pravda? Izvestia? Red Star? al-Arabiya?" Totally Dumbass

And you've seen liberals holding up signs for these news organizations, right?

Not. The only people holding up signs for a news outlet are you stupid slugs. What you're imagining this says about libs is actually true about you. Libs don't hold signs for news outlets. You do.

3:11 AM  
Anonymous mudman said...

Troggy, you are so politically myopic it's hilarious. Don't ever go away.

7:52 AM  
Anonymous DumbAss Tanker said...

I see Troglachild has run out of anything substantial to say and gone to the "I'm rubber, you're glue" school of argument.

Pathetic, but not surprising.

8:10 AM  
Anonymous troglaman said...

"politically myopic" mudman

Had to look it up. Unlike most of you, I, troglaman, look shit up. Not that I'm proud of what I don't know.

Myopic

1. A visual defect in which distant objects appear blurred because their images are focused in front of the retina rather than on it; nearsightedness. Also called short sight.
2. Lack of discernment or long-range perspective in thinking or planning

I'm guessing #2 in regards to your comment.

That's funny. It's funny because you're a braying mule and braying mules are intrinsically funny.

In ten years my daughter will be paying double what we're paying right now in health care premiums. That's a fact. Her daughter (my grand daughter) will most likely not be able to afford it.

Got kids, mudman? Got nieces and nephews? Your friends have kids?

Now what was it you were saying about the long view?

1:07 AM  
Anonymous troglaman said...

"Pravda? Izvestia? Red Star? al-Arabiya?" Totally Dumbass

I'm still waiting for a link or something depicting dumbfuck libs holding up signs for Pravada, etc.

Because I can reference a buttload of dumbfuck teabaggers holding up signs for Fox News.

Here's the thing. Totally Dumbass asserts that Libs have held up signs for "Pravda? Izvestia? Red Star? al-Arabiya?" But they haven't. He just made that up. It's a figment of his imagination. He thinks libs pay homage to these publications. But they don't. So Totally Dumbass imagines a world where libs hold up signs for bogus "news" agencies while proudly marching down the street with his THANK YOU FOX NEWS!!! banner held high.

I simply don't get you dumbshits

1:55 AM  
Anonymous stignob said...

Troglaman believes the free market has failed in the health care industry when in truth it was created by the same bureaucrats who now think the can fix it and lower the cost by creating more bureaucracy. When in fact in it’s current form is a oligarchical collectivism. You want an alternative? You want affordable health care for you kids? How about letting the free market work in this industry work for once? I know this idea just makes you cringe doesn’t it? But try and wrap your troglayte alligator arms around it. Why do you think lasik eye surgery is now affordable to the “common” person? And yet you sit there like a good little munchkin and follow our “leaders” in into oblivion, with no real thought on how we got into this situation in first place, but yet for some reason your “intellect” actually thinks they have the answer.

8:02 AM  
Anonymous DumbAss Tanker said...

Trog, your reading comprehension skills are every bit as mighty as your political acumen and you intellectual abilities. We are truly in awe. How can we get our brains to work like yours, without a lobotomy I mean?

9:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"In ten years my daughter will be paying double what we're paying right now in health care premiums. That's a fact. Her daughter (my grand daughter) will most likely not be able to afford it."
-troglaman

Good gravy! He reproduced! We can only pray she'll have huge rebellious streak and end up getting a job, getting married and have kids. If, however, troglaman is writing in the present tense and he already has a granddaughter then she may already dissapointed him with said rebellion against his ideology.

Of course I'll have to presume that she is a normal contributor to society and his granddaughter isn't the product of some nightmare scenario that involves pole dancing, Schlitz Malt Liquor, and a no-tell motel.

Right now I'd like to stick to my dream wherein troglaman's daughter is a married, conservative living in the suburbs with her husband and daughter. By this I mean, the family parriah.

4:15 PM  
Anonymous troglaman said...

"Troglaman believes the free market has failed in the health care industry when in truth it was created by the same bureaucrats who now think the can fix it and lower the cost by creating more bureaucracy." stignob (did I meet you at last year's Moose Festival?)

The free market did fail. And yes, the failure was because of the brilliant political leaders involved in decisions like Glass-Steagall made
during the Clinton era (with the help of Phil Gramm). But it's been a long road. The deregulation of health care for profit began during Nixon (HMO's) and has continued unabated.

However, stignob, the inept bureaucracy runs three dirty socialistic health care agencies - the V.A., Medicare, and Medicaid. The administrative costs of Medicare are 3% of monies spent compared to 30% for private insurance. That's a fact.

Are you saying you WANT to pay a double-digit increase in premiums next year? Good. Because that's what you're going to get (it's a done deal). And that you WANT your kids to be paying 2, 3, 4 times what you're paying now? You WANT your grand kids paying even more?

Yes you are. Getting fucked by insurance companies builds character.

It's either that or you're telling me that if we just let things roll along and deregulate the whole fuckin thing, everyone gets a sparkle pony.

1:35 AM  
Anonymous troglaman said...

"Of course I'll have to presume that she is a normal contributor to society and his granddaughter isn't the product of some nightmare scenario that involves pole dancing, Schlitz Malt Liquor, and a no-tell motel." anon

You proud of this, anon?

How brave and courageous of you to go after my kid and my grandkid. Classy move. Very manly. The idea of going after the mighty troglaman must have been so frightening, so intimidating, that your only alternative was to call his daughter a drunken pregnant pole dancer.

You obviously wish my daughter was a drunken pole dancer wanting to be impregnated. It's your fucking fantasy after all, brave warrior.

Thanks for the little peek into your brave, courageous and manly psyche, anon. I wouldn't let the neighbors know.

2:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Right now I'd like to stick to my dream wherein troglaman's daughter is a married, conservative living in the suburbs with her husband and daughter. By this I mean, the family parriah." -4:15pm

You really just skim these reply's, don't you? Please don't pretend to take the high road. There's volumes of material saved on this blog showing your tears are of the crocidile variety.

8:12 AM  
Anonymous stignob said...

Well then, here's a dirty fact on your beloved socialistic health care program;

5. Medicare Overspending

Medicare wastes more money than any other federal program, yet its strong public support leaves lawmakers hesitant to address program effi­ciencies, which cost taxpayers and Medicare recip­ients billions of dollars annually.

For example, Medicare pays as much as eight times what other federal agencies pay for the same drugs and medical supplies.[6] The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) recently com­pared the prices paid by Medicare and the Depart­ment of Veterans Affairs (VA) health care program for 16 types of medical equipment and supplies, which account for one-quarter of Medicare’s equip­ment and supplies purchases. The evidence showed that Medicare paid an average of more than double what the VA paid for the same items. The largest difference was for saline solution, with Medicare paying $8.26 per liter compared to the $1.02 paid by the VA.[7] (See Table 1.)

So bascially your choice is to get "phucked" by big brother. One way or another we'll get it in the end, no pun intended. In your case this won't be building "character" try "usefulness" dumbass.

PS: You must be thinking of your yearly visit to the testicle festival?

10:45 AM  
Anonymous troglaman said...

"Right now I'd like to stick to my dream wherein troglaman's daughter is a married, conservative living in the suburbs with her husband and daughter. By this I mean, the family parriah." anon

So the choices, according to you, mien fuhrer, are either a pole dancing stripper or a "married, conservative living in the suburbs." Heil!

Your idiotic template of correctness - 'pole dancer' vs. 'suburban wife' is just a quirky little product of your quirky little mind. But fear not. You're not alone. This kind of misogyny happens all the time around here.

Know what? My daughter's neither a pole dancer (so disappointing, I know) or a conservative wife in the suburbs.

She's neither. Holy shit! Shocking, isn't it? She's like a space alien.

Since it's obvious anon hasn't a clue as to who my daughter is, maybe he could explain his familiarity with pole dancers and conservative suburban wives since he's concluded every American daughter is one or the other. He can tell us all about his friend's and family's daughters who are all either pole dancers or conservative suburban house wives. He can tell us why he knows so much about the subject.

Anyone not thinking this fucker's got a fine mixture of horseshit, bullshit and a generous sprinkling of batshit spewing out of every bodily orifice is frigging brain dead.

2:25 AM  
Anonymous troglaman said...

"5. Medicare Overspending" stignob (I, troglaman, didn't go to the testide gathering. Maybe it was at the Frozen Baby Mastodon Grillfest)

Medicare overspending. Can't forget about that. Nor the trillion dollar Iraq/Afghan wars; nor the trillion dollar Bush tax cuts; nor the trillion dollar Bush bank bail-out.

All those Bush things happened. But I get your point. Medicare spending is not only driving into financial ruin, it's making us all communists, socialist, fascists, Islamists, terrorists, and anti-christs.

Dumbass.

2:49 AM  
Anonymous stignob said...

Just as I expected, when a lefty loses the debate, "change" the subject, real classic of you. What a tool or BDS residue.

BTW, you obviously don't know what a free market is, even if it bit you on the back.

9:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"She's like a space alien."-troglaman

HOW DARE YOU INSULT YOUR DAUGHTER IN SUCH A WAY! IT'S DISGUSTING!

Your newfound sanctimony might hold some water if you show me the first, last, or only time you’ve shown some decorum in the history of your time here at DUmmie FUnnies. As it stands now it’s visible by your huffing and puffing that you are willfully ignorant of the product of your own poison pen. Not to mention my own wishes against the liberalization of your family and wish goodwill toward her in spite of you.

It’s abundantly clear you’re succumbing your own hate. And that is unfortunate.

1:04 PM  
Anonymous susieq2cute said...

Gee, the tman has children? I never imagined anyone would breed with the likes of him.

7:13 PM  
Anonymous troglaman said...

"It’s abundantly clear you’re succumbing your own hate. And that is unfortunate." anon

OK. Let's go back to the beginning. Who said this?

"Of course I'll have to presume that she is a normal contributor to society and his granddaughter isn't the product of some nightmare scenario that involves pole dancing, Schlitz Malt Liquor, and a no-tell motel."

That'd be you, cocksucker.

Once again, you pretend to take the high road while starting out the troll under the bridge. You suggested my daughter was Schlitz swigging pole dancer and my grand daughter was conceived at a "no-tell motel"..and then claim that I, troglaman, am succumbing to my own hate.

You, fuckface, are entirely unable to see yourself in what you paint me to be. Your portrait of my daughter couldn't be further from the truth. So who's portrait was it? That'd be yours, dumbfuck.

So it's a little disingenuous for you to get all over MY ass about YOUR troglamatic pole-dancing, Schlitz-drinking, no-tell motel, suburban conservative housewife fantasy, don't you think? Because it's all yours. Every word. In fact, all this hate you purport troglaman to have is, in truth, your hate.

You're pathetic. A first degree pussy.

I got a dog too, anon. Maybe we should get your take on her history and moral failings as well. Can't wait.

1:04 AM  
Anonymous troglaman said...

"Gee, the tman has children? I never imagined anyone would breed with the likes of him." suz

Mommy? Is that you? Please take me to the basement now. Please...

1:48 AM  
Anonymous susieq2cute said...

Eeeeeewwwww, I think I'm going to throw up.

5:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"OK. Let's go back to the beginning. Who said this?"-troglaman

Who presumed she's a upstanding member of society and not the result of a "nightmare scenario"?

Ooooh ooh me! I'll take credit for that one. Did you prefer the alternative? Because that is what it sounds like you're arguing for. Oops, ended a sentence with a preposition. (trying again) Because that sounds like the position for which you are arguing.

I don't pretend to take the high road. You give anyone conversing with you no alternative. Your belligerency automatically gives the opposing party the high road.
Good job champ!

2:18 PM  
Anonymous troglaman said...

"I don't pretend to take the high road." anon

You typified my daughter, asshole, as a pole-dancing drunk who conceived my grand-daughter in a no-tell motel. You then conveyed your hope that she found her way as a conservative wife in the suburbs.

That's what you said.

You can continue to make this my mistake (my belligerence) and I, troglaman, can continue quoting what you actually said again and again.

This is like "Ground Hog Day". It keeps coming back to the "anon's a prick" moment and repeats itself again and again. Freaky.

2:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You can continue to make this my mistake (my belligerence) and I, troglaman, can continue quoting what you actually said again and again."-troglaman

You're doing a fine job of making this your mistake. You don't need me for that. Quote away, to your heart's content. The fact that you don't comprehend what I was writing is of little surprise or concern to me.

Good movie, Groundhog Day. When you get your life right, you may be able to get on with it as well. Good luck.

8:06 AM  
Anonymous troglaman said...

"Quote away, to your heart's content." anon

OK

"Of course I'll have to presume that she is a normal contributor to society and his granddaughter isn't the product of some nightmare scenario that involves pole dancing, Schlitz Malt Liquor, and a no-tell motel."

You can start there. The pole dancing "Schlitz Malt Liquor" thing is especially interesting.

Maybe you should just imagine me, troglaman, saying the same thing about your daughter. And your grand daughter.

You could be more honest by explaining why you think my grand daughter was conceived in a no-tell motel. And why you think my daughter's a pole-dancer.

Let's hear it, brave warrior. Why don't you explain to everyone why you've chosen to make troglaman's daughter a whore even though you know absolutely nothing about her.

Waiting....

2:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're right. It is like Groundhog Day.

You still fail to see where I was hoping for the best for your daughter and not the alternative. But that's ok, it's what you do. You and I have been on this ride before too. We go around and around for days about subjects like this. I think I've pointed out to you quite enough where you fail (ad infinitum) to comprehend simple English. Maybe tomorrow you'll wake up and it won't be snowing anymore.

I've come to believe responding to your posts is similar to Krispy Kreme doughnuts. The first one is great but if you have more, then you realize it's not as good as the first. The law of diminishing returns, one might say.

Those doughnuts are too expensive anyway.

8:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By the way. Nice job! No expliciatives in your 2:15am post. You should be proud of yourself, you've come a long way.

8:29 AM  
Anonymous Elrond Hubbard said...

My oldest grandson was conceived in a petri dish, not a motel room. The latter venue would have saved my daughter and son-in-law a lot of cash. My daughter was never a pole dancer although she practices yoga.

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