Tuesday, March 18, 2008

KOmmie KOs KOnfronts KOmmieland Klinton Klan

Last week the Hillary supporters at the Daily KOs went on STRIKE and this week KOmmie KOs responds with a THREAD titled, "The Clinton civil war." So let us now join the KOmmie KOs counterattack in Bolshevik Red while the commentary of your humble correspondent, enjoying the War Between the Democrats, is in the [brackets]:


...this site has also been hostile to the corrosive consultant class that gave us our timid and weak party until Howard Dean shook it up in 2004.

[But not hostile to those lucrative consultant fees collected on the sly by Unknown Jerome.]


Now I'm willing to stipulate that on the consultant front, there's likely not much difference between the Obama and Clinton campaigns (I don't know if it's true, but I assume it is). But on everything else, Clinton fails the test of the guiding principles of this site, and of my first book, Crashing the Gate.


[Cashing the Gates?]


...Clinton didn't just vote for the Iraq war and refuse to apologize for it, she voted to give Bush the same authority on Iran.


[No do-over for HIllary on that vote.]


...First of all, the only path to victory for Clinton is via coup by super delegate.



[The Clinton War Room is planning on just such a coup.]


She knows this. That's why there's all the talk about poaching pledged delegates and spinning uncertainty around Michigan and Florida, and laying the case for super delegates to discard the popular will and stage a coup.


[GASP! You mean Hillary wants to fight unfairly?]


Yet a coup by super delegate would sunder the party in civil war.


[A whole bunch of Clinton cash would oil just such a coup.]


Clinton knows this, it's her only path to victory, and she doesn't care. She is willing -- nay, eager to split the party apart in her mad pursuit of power.


[It's ALL about Hillary.]


If the situations were reversed, and Obama was lagging in the delegates, popular vote, states won, money raised, and every other reasonable measure, then I'd feel the same way about Obama. (I pulled the plug early on Dean in 2004.) But that's not the case. It is Clinton, with no reasonable chance of victory, who is fomenting civil war in order to overturn the will of the Democratic electorate. As such, as far as I'm concerned, she doesn't deserve "fairness" on this site. All sexist attacks will be dealt with -- those will never be acceptable. But otherwise, Clinton has set an inevitably divisive course and must be dealt with appropriately.


[Excommunication from KOmmieland?]


To reiterate, she cannot win without overturning the will of the national Democratic electorate and fomenting civil war, and she doesn't care.


[Hee! Hee! I love it! The destruction of the Democrat party right before our eyes just because of Hillary's insatiable ego.]


That's why she has earned my enmity and that of so many others. That's why she is bleeding super delegates. That's why she's even bleeding her own caucus delegates (remember, she lost a delegate in Iowa on Saturday). That's why Keith Olbermann finally broke his neutrality. That's why Nancy Pelosi essentially cast her lot with Obama. That's why Democrats outside of the Beltway are hoping for the unifying Obama at the top of the ticket, and not a Clinton so divisive, she is actually working to split her own party.


[Hitch your wagon to the Obama campaign which is now in the process of going over the cliff.]


Meanwhile, Clinton and her shrinking band of paranoid holdouts wail and scream about all those evil people who have "turned" on Clinton and are no longer "honest power brokers" or "respectable voices" or whatnot, wearing blinders to reality, talking about silly little "strikes" when in reality, Clinton is planning a far more drastic, destructive and dehabilitating civil war.


[I believe it is called "Scorched Earth."]



People like me have two choices -- look the other way while Clinton attempts to ignite her civil war, or fight back now, before we cross that dangerous line. Honestly, it wasn't a difficult choice. And it's clear, looking at where the super delegates, most bloggers, and people like Olbermann are lining up, that the mainstream of the progressive movement is making the same choice.


[I think you've already crossed that dangerous line.]


And the more super delegates see what is happening, and what Clinton has in store, the more imperative it is that they line up behind Obama and put an end to it before it's too late.


[It already is too late. And now to hear from the rest of the KOmmies...]

And I'm about to quit MyDD forever. It makes my blood boil when I read comments from people who I used to respect 2 years ago, that are so vile and filled with hatred and lies. I have totally lost respect for Jerome as I think he is now nothing more than a paid shill, a traitor to the cause.



[It's called covering all the bases. While KOmmie KOs slams Hillary, his very very special friend, Unknown Jerome, slams Obama.]


Clinton will demolish Obama so much that A) the supers won't vote for him because he is damaged goods or B)he will lose to McCain, allowing Billary to run in '12. It's clear as day, and the sooner we get the word out to as many media outlets as possible the better chance we will have of negating it because she will have already been called out on it. I ran into a Clinton national campaign operative at a coffee joint here in FW, TX the week before our primary and the hatred steaming from this woman's ears was astonishing. It was visceral. I couldn't believe what i was hearing...and it was a Friday night, 3 days after Wisconsin, and there this woman was hammering me with Clinton talking points till she was blue in the face. Every point that i deflected brought on a new assault of verbatim, Hillary.com talking points. This is what we have in our Party. This is what we Democrats have to come to terms with. Do we sit idly by and let it play itself out or do we take a stand and say NO, not THIS way, not THIS time, not EVER!
Honestly, Obama could lose 49 states in the general and i wouldn't care. I won't be party to a Party that selects it's candidates this way.


[Democrat implosions are FUn to watch!]


When does Hillary morph into John McCain with boobs?


[The day after she morphs into John McCain without ankles.]


HRC's campaign is on the murder-suicide route


[GO HILLARY!!!]


Party leaders have to have a quiet meeting with her before we reach the MAD stage.


[Mutual Assured Destruction of Democrats is FUn to watch!]



To use an old Western metaphor, Clinton's campaign is like an out of control wagon filled with dynamite careening toward the school house. Hillary and her advisors are the ones who spooked the horses. The superdelegates need to ride to the rescue - not of Obama -- he has the nomination - but of the party- and the size of our electoral victory in november.



[Ka-BOOM!!!]


I'm in love with KOS and I'm not GAY!!!!!!!


[Are you sure?]


The reputation of DKos will only soar due to this boycott. I find this site a nice respite from pounding in nails over at the now discredited MyDD. I come here to take a break from time to time. Fighting complete illogic over there can become tiring. Seems that Clinton is concentrating all of her efforts there. As to the Clintonistas, I say: No quarter given.


[How about Not One Damn Dime given?]


If the Democratic Party allows Hillary Clinton to game the system and snatch victory via cowed superdelegate support, the sucking sound you hear will be the vacuum created in the wake of the mass exit of voters, old and young, active voters, who are the Democratic Party's future because they want to empower themselves through political action. Hillary Clinton is not worth this sacrifice. I hope the Party's leaders recognize this fact.


[Not the first time the Democrats had a sucking sound problem.]


You have to wonder if Hillary has any natural instincts/savvy about this left -- given the no-doubt bombardment of talentless, bossy, power-crazed advisers and surrogates like Mark Penn, Maggie Williams, Howard Wolfson, and, sad to say, finger-waggin' hubby Bill. She must be dizzy from being told by the amen chorus how "to win this thing."


[Icky Harold Ickes is the one who put the Hillary campaign into its current Scorched Earth overdrive.]


STOP THIS CIVIL WAR NOW!


[SHHHHHHH!!!]


clinton extended her hand but obama rejected a very fair offer to end the bickering and unite. the offer of a clinton/obama ticket was more then reasonable. her big state wins, experience, and stronger general election appeal to key swing groups like blue dogs and hispanic clearly make her the top of the ticket. obama's inexperience, weak big state showings, and defeat in every democrat stronghold show his is more #2 material at this point. the jeremiah wright scandal has left him unelectable. accepting the VP would be a wise move for him, far better then going on to defeat against mccain. it is obama who is forcing this contest to continue on and on. she offered to unite. he didn't even counter offer. so it continues...


[Hillary is just too good to Obama.]

29 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Clearly I'm not cool enough to know all of the Democrat lingo but what is "MyDD"?

If this keeps up it looks like Ralph Nader is just $10. away from making the Green Party the second in a two-party system.

9:46 AM  
Anonymous dubya said...

Shelby Steele has an excellent piece on opinionjournal.com this morning called "The Obama Bargain." Read it and understand why whites are so enamored with this empty suit.

9:57 AM  
Anonymous Ray said...

The KOoks have gone for "You Go, Girl!" to "You Go To Hell, Girl!" in less than a year. Talk about a fractured party!

It's not Hillary's fault, btw. For TWO Senate elections (and all of the Clinton presidency) the KOoks and DUmmies were behind her 100 percent, telling her not to give up, to keep fighting. Now the KOoks are enraged that she won't back down to the New Messiah. She won't give up, she keeps fighting. She's doing what they told her to do for the last 8 years, yet they can't stand it.

Talk about racial preferences! It's all because he's a black man and she's not. It's Affirmative Action in politics and now the KOoks and DUmmies see the folly of such ideals. It's tearing their party apart and they're doing it to themselves! LOL Gota love it!

10:08 AM  
Anonymous Ray said...

"Clearly I'm not cool enough to know all of the Democrat lingo but what is "MyDD"?"

A competitor to the Daily Kos and it's pissing them off, big time! The KOoks, like all socialists, don't like competition.

10:12 AM  
Blogger Dave Drake said...

Ray - I share your confusion, and I'm sure many others do too. For longer than I care to remember, the "Clintonistas" could literally do no wrong. And now?.....

This just gets funnier by the day :D

10:29 AM  
Blogger The Gunslinger said...

Considering the lengthening string of problems for Obie, hanging in there might just turn out to be prophetic.

Obie IS mortal, after all, despite the Moonbat delusion. And he seems to be losing his halo.

He could implode at any time.

Hillary will be their darling again if Obie goes down in flames.

And that'll be even funnier.

8:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Obie IS mortal, after all, despite the Moonbat delusion. And he seems to be losing his halo." gun

Good frame, gun. I'm fact-checking your conclusions and can only come up with Obama being mortal as being the one fact that checks out. "Moonbat delusion" and "losing his halo" are ...well...lemming-like since they have no meaning what-so-ever.

You're all opening a door that, from your crazy-assed perspective, shouldn't be opened.

Or maybe it should!!! Let's start with examining the proclamations of Falwell, Robertson, Hageee, Haggart, and the rest of the religious right you hypocrites keep close. Are you fucking telling me there hasn't been a racist, sexist, batshit crazy statement uttered by these chimps? Are you kidding me?

This isn't a high-school football game. This isn't a game of Old Maid. 'Kicking ass' isn't exactly the point though I know 99% of you won't understand that. You're living proof there's no evolution. Something to be very proud of. Or maybe those who don't believe in it don't evolve. Now there's a scary thought! And I know you guys love scary thoughts.

12:15 AM  
Anonymous Corona said...

Falwell, Haggart, Robertson? The 80's Show lasted 1 season. I guess someone was bound to be disappointed. But I digress.

Old Maid Football We Can Believe In!

4:20 AM  
Blogger Son Of The Godfather said...

"Moonbat delusion" and "losing his halo" are ...well...lemming-like since they have no meaning what-so-ever.

Yes, we are "lemming-like" because we all believe, like lemmings, that Obama is not the Messiah.

Let's start with examining the proclamations of Falwell, Robertson, Hageee, Haggart, and the rest of the religious right you hypocrites keep close.

Shit, are they running?!?

No?

Strange, I thought obfuscation and diversion were only used by those with a weak argument...

Pitiful, anonymous. Perhaps you should Google "logical argumentation". I'm even kind of embarrassed for you.

9:45 AM  
Anonymous Susie Q said...

Anoymous, I don't believe I've ever heard John McCain say that Falwell, Robertson, Hagee, etc. were ever his spiritual advisors. You're talking apples and oranges. I also have never heard McCain throw his grandma under the bus for votes. Admit that your Obamessiah has clay feet and cannot walk on water. he's just a plain old regular politician.

6:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Shit, are they running?!? No?" son

Shit, is Wright running? No? Dumbass.

1:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anoymous, I don't believe I've ever heard John McCain say that Falwell, Robertson, Hagee, etc. were ever his spiritual advisors. You're talking apples and oranges. I also have never heard McCain throw his grandma under the bus for votes. Admit that your Obamessiah has clay feet and cannot walk on water. he's just a plain old regular politician." susie q

Would you like me to delve into the google and prove you wrong about McCain's whoring for the religious right? Just look at Hagee. You don't need to go any further.

I never proclaimed Obama to be my messiah. That's your fantasy entirely. Show me, susie. Or maybe you just need to believe your fantasies. Show me one solid fact that demonstrates people behind Obama think he's the messiah. One.

Can't do it? Well then your whole framework about who he is doesn't mean shit. Which, by the way, it doesn't.

"Throwing his grandmother under the bus." Lemming. Come up with something original.

2:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You all have to come the inevitable conclusion that the economy and our wars are FUBAR. None of you make sense anymore. Got that? You've all been wrong about fucking everything. I'm sympathetic with the fact some of you haven't caught up with this absolute reality. But there it is.

You've been wrong. You are wrong. And you're dead set to remain that way. It's your become your problem.

2:37 AM  
Anonymous Corona said...

Your use of foul language convinces me beyond a doubt that you Must be right and everybody else Must be wrong, because you're so big and strong and we're so puny and weak. Can I subscribe to your newsletter?

I love that "delve into the google" bit. The google.

5:43 AM  
Anonymous dubya said...

...You've been wrong. You are wrong. And you're dead set to remain that way. It's your become your problem....

t-man scolding himself -- hilarious!

9:41 AM  
Anonymous Susie Q said...

You do your own googling, pinhead anonymous!

7:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You do your own googling, pinhead anonymous!" susie q

OK.

"Hagee, leader of a San Antonio megachurch, has referred to the Roman Catholic Church as “the great whore” and called it a “false cult system” and “the apostate church” — “apostate” means someone who has forsaken his religion."
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/07/mccain-repudiates-televangelist-hagees-catholic-views-following-endorsement/

Hagee's a nut and you know it. But you were talking spiritual guides.

"A politically influential figure in Ohio, Parsley could also play a key role in McCain's effort to win this bellwether state in the general election. McCain, with Parsley by his side at the Cincinnati rally, called the evangelical minister a "spiritual guide".

Spiritual Guide, Susie.

"The leader of a 12,000-member congregation, Parsley has written several books outlining his fundamentalist religious outlook, including the 2005 Silent No More. In this work, Parsley decries the "spiritual desperation" of the United States, and he blasts away at the usual suspects: activist judges, civil libertarians who advocate the separation of church and state, the homosexual "culture" ("homosexuals are anything but happy and carefree"), the "abortion industry," and the crass and profane entertainment industry. And Parsley targets another profound threat to the United States: the religion of Islam."
http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html

America is spiritually desperate. Why does Parsley hate America's spiritual community? And, more importantly, why does Big John make Parsley his spiritual guide when he knows Parsley hates America's spiritual community?

Want more susie?

"Falwell and McCain first made peace in a face-to-face meeting a few months ago. In a sign of their improved relationship, McCain has agreed to be the graduation speaker at Falwell's Liberty University on May 13"..."It just came down to pure old politics in South Carolina and other states," Falwell said."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1779141

Isn't that nice. Then there's this:

RUSSERT: Do you think that Jerry Falwell’s ideas are now good for the Republican Party?

MCCAIN: I believe that the “Christian Right” has a major role to play in the Republican Party. One reason is because they’re so active and their followers are. And I believe they have a right to be a part of our party. I don’t have to agree with everything they stand for..."
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/mccain-falwell/

"I don't have to agree with everything they stand for." Hmmm. Where have we heard that...wasn't it just recently someone said...

Never mind. I can't remember and I'm sure none of you will either.

But just in case you do remember, susie q, ask who's right when both McCain and Obama each say "I don't have to agree with everything they stand for."

This should be interesting.

3:46 AM  
Anonymous dubya said...

All religions are "great whores" and "false cult systems." All politicians pander them one way or another.

8:31 AM  
Anonymous Susie Q said...

You dork, anon, you still don't get it, do you? McCain has never referred to any of these men as spiritual advisors, as the Obamessiah has Wright. And thanks for the googling. You are so easily led...you must be a Dem.

6:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You dork, anon, you still don't get it, do you? McCain has never referred to any of these men as spiritual advisor" susie q

"McCain, with Parsley by his side at the Cincinnati rally, called the evangelical minister a "spiritual guide".
http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain

You dipwad, susie. What's that above quote mean? Are you blind? Should I have used a bigger font? Or maybe you're a wingnut. That would explain it. Drank the Kool Aid and all that. My sympathies.

Are we about to parse 'guide' vs 'adviser'? Great. Go for it. You won't win this argument. Wingnuttia's religious, spiritual advisers are pretty-much hypocritically insane, corrupted, and sometimes homosexual sex addicts. Being the the easily led Dem I am, I'd be happy to google the facts for you. Not that any of them would sink in.

3:22 AM  
Anonymous Susie Q said...

I didn't know Obama's spiritual advisor was a homosexual sex addict. Who would have thunk it...he seems so masculine in his tirades. But, I do agree Wright is insane and corrupt, along with his friend Obama. You can google all you want, I don't live or die by politics...I have a life. Why don't you get one?

9:19 AM  
Anonymous Susie Q said...

I am having a ball...I love that you keep answering me after three days. You are so easily led. Whatcha gonna do when the Hildabeast wins the nomination away from the Obambi? You gonna come on here cryin'? lol lol

9:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I am having a ball...I love that you keep answering me after three days. You are so easily led. Whatcha gonna do when the Hildabeast wins the nomination away from the Obambi? You gonna come on here cryin'? lol lol" susie q

And I love that you're answering me too, you vixen you. Has it only been three days? It seems like a lifetime.

Did McCain claim Parsons to be his 'spiritual adviser' or not? Yes or no. Did McCain say, regarding Falwell and the Christian Right, "And I believe they have a right to be a part of our party. I don’t have to agree with everything they stand for..." or not? Yes or no.

One would imagine that these simple questions could be answered in three, long, days. And yet they're not. Do you want more time to think about it?

2:02 AM  
Anonymous Susie Q said...

Do I really have to answer this soon? You do love to google so much; will you do the hard work for me? Like you libtards like to think, we righties are all rich; and don't have to work. As for me and mine, we're celebrating Easter today. Since you're a Dem and probably an atheist, you might not know that this is a very sacred and precious time for us Christians. Have a lovely day; and don't forget to google for me.

7:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Do I really have to answer this soon?" susie

No, no, dear child. Take whatever time you need. Perform your rituals and get back to me as soon as you can.

2:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Since you're a Dem and probably an atheist, you might not know that this is a very sacred and precious time for us Christians." susie who knows fucking everything q

Since you don't know if I'm a Dem or an atheist, you become therefore full of shit.

I, troglaman, had ham tonight. Smoked Ham with a hint of orange zest. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Roasted asparagus and burnt butter. Italian beer. Strawberry shortcake. Don't get me started on the Easter egg hunt.

I'll leave it to you to decide if my Easter had anything to do with anything other than getting together with my family and having fun. Might be the hand of God or not. So what.

3:11 AM  
Anonymous Susie Q said...

In your case, I don't think it's the hand of God; not with your bad mouth. Do you talk to your Mom with that mouth? I'm a teacher and a lady, and I don't appreciate being talked to in your filthy way. I don't know if you're necessarily a Dem or an atheist, but I do know you're an idiot. I must have gotten to you, since you have to resort to filthy language.

3:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I'm a teacher and a lady, and I don't appreciate being talked to in your filthy way." susie q.

What is this? Gone with the Wind?

Let me, troglaman, offer my deepest apologies for having offended your sincerely felt sensibilities. I meant no offense.

Or maybe I did (gasp). Did you call me a 'libtard'? I think you did, little lady. Did you call Hillary the "Hildebeast" and Obama "Obambi"? Why of course you did! Never have I heard such words uttered in the presence of...well, civilized society. One could not read your words and not suspect you of baldfaced hypocrisy. Please excuse my naming it as such in the presence of total strangers but the truth must be told. You're full of shit.

It's your party, susie. Cry if you want to.

3:32 AM  
Anonymous Susie Q said...

You've heard worse words uttered; with your own mouth. It is my party; and I'm not crying. I laugh at you and your childish rantings. I rejoice that my opponent's opinions are so invalid that they must resort to nasty words to try and prove their point. You might be right in one respect though, civility has "Gone with the Wind". And I think your side has always fired the first shot.

6:16 AM  

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