"Is Our Response To Falwell's Death Hurting Our Cause?"
On the heels of the DUmmies dancing on Jerry Falwell's grave as was fully illustrated in yesterday's DUFU EDITION, we are now hearing a few worried voices from DUmmieland about what effect this will have in future elections. One such voice is DUmmie earthlover who in this THREAD nervously asks, "Is Our Response To Falwell's Death Hurting Our Cause?" This is actually a good question on the part of DUmmie earthlover since I can guarantee that a lot of religious conservatives who sat on their hands during the 2006 Congressional elections will be showing up at the voting booths in droves, motivated by the DUmmie orgy of hatred directed at the newly deceased Jerry Falwell. So let us watch the DUmmies wrestle with this bind that they put themselves into in Bolshevik Red while the commentary of your humble correspondent, watching Karmatic Kickback slamming the DUmmies in their collective posterior, is in the [brackets]:
Is Our Response To Falwell's Death Hurting Our Cause?
[Yes. And Jerry Falwell's ghost will haunt you in 2008 when the memory of DUmmie slams against him helps elect President Romney.]
Since Falwell's death, these boards have been inundated with posts, many of which demonstrated absolute glee at his death and judgementalism that rivaled Falwell's. As an anti-Falwell liberal Christian and as a Democrat, I find this very sad. Apparently, many on "our side" are capable of the same sort of blind hatred as we condemn in others.
[You're just now discovering the blind hatred on your side, DUmmie earthlover. Who finally woke you up from the deep slumber?]
Just about every form of rationalization has been offered as a defense mechanism for this hatred. One is that Falwell hated too....which I guess is the equivalent of two wrongs make it right. This is unconvincing. How can we show our disdain for hatred if we demonstrate it ourselves? Falwell's hatred was deplorable, but it is not particularly effective to act deplorably.
[What hatred? A lot of DUmmies yesterday pointed out the "fact" that Falwell reacted gleefully to the death of Matthew Sheppard. Problem is it NEVER happened. Check out Google. This was just one of many factoids about Falwell.]
I have seen attempts to dehumanize Falwell and to compare him to Hitler. So much easier to hate someone who is not really a human being! Yet, as bad as Falwell was, there were no mass graves, no death camps, and no genocide.
[Prepare for your tombstoning, DUmmie earthlover. You just committed heresy in DUmmieland.]
I have seen attempts to personally attack Democratic posters who did not participate in this political food fight. Implications that they must support Falwell....sorta reminds me of the Bush thought process---either for us or you are one of the terrorists. Some were calling those who don't want to join in the bashing sanctimonious. Hatred has even been called just a normal emotion, just "venting", etc....which calls into question why people are upset with Falwell in the first place, since he could have just as easily have said the same thing about his own hateful rhetoric. Maybe his was venting too. Rationalization is really convenient. It is an equal opportunity defense mechanism.
[Hatred IS a normal emotion in DUmmieland.]
I know that almost all of us, including me, disagree with just about everything Falwell said and did. However, we differ in how we react to his death.
[DUmmie etiquette requires that you dance on Falwell's grave.]
What some of us fail to come to grips with is that Falwell is dead, and that none of the words we say are going to affect him in the slightest. Furthermore, he is not around to defend himself.
[Don't worry. Falwell's ghost will HAUNT you in 2008.]
What some of the hate-mongerers are doing is preaching to the choir. Sure, some are going to pat them on the back because they feel the same way. But who else is going to be impressed?
[Voters in 2008 will be impressed to the extent that it will wipe away their apathy and inspire them to go to the polls.]
Followers of Falwell, and there are MANY, are going to be really angry to read or hear about such hostility coming from our side, especially during this time. This will motivate them to fight their fight even harder, and they will have all kinds of ammunition now to further their cause and to try to convince everyone that Democrats are a bunch of hypocrites who show the same sort of hatred they disdain in others.
[Don't stand between a polling station and a Falwell supporter in 2008 or you will be stampeded.]
Members of the conservative media are already picking up on the profuse hatred being spewed forth on these boards. So, to those who think these boards are just a means to "vent," remember one thing: the whole world is watching.
[More importantly, the DUmmie FUnnies is watching. Especially YOU, DUmmie earthlover.]
So, what we are accomplishing is preaching to a choir of people who already think how we think, and firing up our opponents. So how is this going to play with the moderates and independents? I am sorry, but this part of the equation really makes me mad.
[Try depressed especially after the election of President Romney in 2008.]
Most moderates, and most sane people, and ANYONE with common sense is going to see people dancing on the grave of a still-warm body as being reprehensible, stupid and just plain rude. We are NOT going to get any converts among independents by telling them that Falwell was a hater in such a way to make it clear we are haters too. And their typical response to grave dancing is going to be "get a life, bud..."
[Hmmm... Perhaps yesterday's edition of the DUmmie FUnnies will end up as GOP campaign literature in the next election. It sure will be motivational when the voters see the DUmmies gleefully dancing on Jerry Falwell's grave.]
I know that some of you hate Falwell because of his views, but ponder this: every hateful post on these boards are going to turn moderates and independents OFF towards your causes. If you beat up on Falwell enough during this time, you are going to provoke more sympathy for him and disdain for you among the very voters you will need to make any meaningful changes in this country for your causes.
[I can't improve upon that analysis, DUmmie earthlover.]
So, the question I have for you: do you have a political death-wish? Democrats have a great chance of winning in 08. However, the sort of thing I have seen about Falwell is going to help...the Republicans! They already are skilled at getting elected by painting us as anti-religion. Who would have dreamt that Democrats would act the way they have done this past day? It is a nightmare to me, but it is a dream come true for the Republicans.
[I KNEW the DUmmies would act the way they did the instant I heard of Falwell's death on the radio so the grave dancing act was no surprise at all to me. And now to hear from your fellow DUmmies...]
But you must admit there is a huge chance that the 2008 presidential election will be decided by millions of Americans who will identify the anti-Falwell threads on DU from 5-15 thru 5-17-07 as the single issue they used in making the choice to vote republican. I think we all need to get crew-cuts, wear two neck ties, and donate to the Moral Majority. It's the only way to save this thing we've all worked so hard for.
[Sorry. That disguise won't be working for you at all.]
Evidence indicates that at least 33% of the "Left Behind" series fans can actually read, even if comprehension isn't their strong suit. The democrats might still get some of the votes of those who watch the video or listen to the cassette editions of "Left Behind." But dare we gamble with the future of our party? Shouldn't we play it safe? Is it worth it to take a chance of being Left Behind?
[The next edition of "Left Behind" will be how the Left got "Left Behind" in the 2008 election due to the voter backlash inspired by the Leftwing orgy of hate directed towards Jerry Falwell.]
Sean Hannity read DU yesterday and talked about the hateful posts on his radio show. Lots of conservatives come here expressly to pick up quotes to use against us.
[Congrats DUmmie DemBones DemBones. The DUmmie FUnnies has also come here expressly to pick up YOUR quote. Hee! Hee!]
This is run by Rove's boys. A paid disruptor posts something a little over the top on a Democratic board. Said paid disruptor then sends a screen shot of their post to Central Distribution, which forwards it to Sean and the others, who immediately quote it on the air as an example of the hate-filled vicious left. Then other paid disruptors post handwringers about how we're "just as bad as the other guys" and "failing in our mission."
[Oh, so all the DUmmies dancing on Falwell's grave were secret Rovian agents paid to disrupt the normal tolerance of DUmmieland? I'll have to forward your bizarre theory over to Central Distribuiton.]
It was fun to celebrate his death yesterday. But to go on about it today is so pre 5/16.
[Trying to forget the "fun" you had? It won't be forgotten in 11/08.]
I had such a spiritual uplift yesterday
[So nice to know that you found dancing on Jerry Fallwell's grave to be spriritually uplifting. Oh, and your quote will also be around in 11/08 to serve as voter motivation. Hee! Hee!]
It's at times like these, when I can't tell the difference between DU and Free Republic. Since yesterday, there really has been no difference between Democratic Underground and Free Republic. The hatred coming from this site scares me.
[Except that you won't find any grave dancing at the Free Republic. When Elizabeth Edwards was revealed to have breast cancer, there was only sympathy for her at the Free Republic. When Laura Ingraham announced she had the same cancer, there was an orgy of hate for her in DUmmieland to such an extent that Elizabeth Edwards had to post on your site to chastise you for being gleeful over Ingraham's illness. Check the DUmmie archives.]
And it's not just Jerry Falwell. This morning, in one of the threads announcing Yolanda King's death, someoone replied that God got it wrong and too bad it was not Bernice King. I was just floored. And it makes me almost ashamed to be a registered member of this board.
[Nobody is keeping you from quitting, DUmmie journalist3072.]
I don't care who is watching. One more dead nazi is a good thing.
[The whole world is watching.]
You should consider giving the DU'ers who "danced" a little of what Falwell never had...understanding and tolerance.
[Please understand and tolerate the idiots who danced on Falwell's grave.]
Some of us has taken the crap falwell has spewed for 40 yrs. I view it as seeds Falwell has sown is now baring fruit. He spewed/sown the hate...What you sow, you shall also reap. It's harvest time.
[What you sowed by dancing on Falwell's grave, ye shall reap in November 2008.]
Shouldn't we be DONE appeasing these people!! It hasn't worked in the past. It won't work now. The thing they understand is an all-out battle. Like it or not, this is a war for the future of our country. Us vs. Them. I am furious at what They have done to this nation. I am for Us.
[Keep up that counterproductive fury, especially in November 2008. Hee! Hee!]
Fight smart. We have already helped them get into power by sounding anti-religion.
[President Romney will be thanking the Left for continuing to sound anti-religion, DUmmie earthlover.]
Sometimes venting is just what is needed. I hope it scares the hell out of the right. Seeing so much vitriol aimed at them has to be having some kind of effect on them. Every voice should be raised in outrage over what that man helped bring about in this country.
[The effect of your "venting" will be inspirational in that it will inspire many voters to go to the polls in 2008. Hee! Hee!]
I will celebrate when Osama bin Laden is brought to justice and when he dies, I will celebrate.
[That will make you a minority of one in DUmmieland.]
I am beyond myself with joy that the very wicked Jerry Falwell is dead and can no longer hurt my brothers and sisters!
[You will be beyond yourself with grief in 2008 when your Falwell hate causes the Democrats to lose big. Hee! Hee!]
so now that he dead, are the suicides going to stop? If we act politically to STENGTHEN the radical right....and attacking Falwell during this time is definately going to strengthen it....aren't we cutting off our nose to spite our face? Why don't we channel our energies to win victories instead of making ourselves look foolish? Tromping on Falwell's grave is not going to help one iota. It will only make our opponents more determined and moderates wonder why we are complaining about hatred.
[I have complete confidence in the DUmmies continuing to counterproductively make themselves look foolish, DUmmie earthlover. Enjoy watching the President Romney Inaugural Ball on the tube in 2009.]
f*ck falwell, and f*ck his followers too oh, and f*ck moronic moderates and idiot independents if the don't understand the difference between some folks blowing off steam on a message board and the real hate mongering engendered by scum like falwell.
[Feel the love!]
Of course if one of us dies they are going to have much worse things to say.
[Wrong. The death of any DUmmie means the sad loss of another great source of comedy material for the DUmmie FUnnies.]
It PAINS me to see us act in such a way as to HELP the other side. And if you can't even discuss things calmly with me without using foul language how are you going to win over anyone less liberal than myself?
[You're fighting a LOST cause, DUmmie earthlover. BTW, you are invited to watch the President Romney inauguration parade as long as you sit high up on the bleachers.]
I am not here to convince any RWer of anything. They have brutalized me my whole life. They can rot in hell. All of them.
[Poor widdle brutalized you. Sniff!]
Acting like a bunch of rude, crude grave dancers is NOT going to win ANY moderates over to our side. Already the right accuses us of being anti-religion. We do ourselves no good by removing all doubt!!!!
[Correct DUmmie earthlover. BTW, do you want me to bring you a doggie bag from the Romney victory party in November 2008?]
So, I don't know Falwell, but I think almost anyone could see that kicking a man when he is down is not considered good form, and acting gleefully upon someone's death is going to backfire.
[Yup! You got that right, DUmmie earthlover. The voter backlash to the DUmmie Dance on Falwell's grave will not only elect President Romney but also return the EVIL Republicans to the majority in the House and Senate.]
in case you haven't noticed, like it or not, war was declared on decent people back around 1979 when Gingrich put out his Contract On America--actually, back in 1963 when they assassinated Kennedy. This is not some prissy little politeness thing, this is all-out war and one of the enemy has taken a hit. if you're not ready for that, stick your head back in the sand until it's safe to come out again. our "cause" is to restore democracy, justice, and equal rights, not revert to superficial platitudes about some corpulent false prophet and charlatan.
[Gingrich put out his "Contract On America" in 1979? Was that the same year when the Germans attacked Pearl Harbor? Thanx for the accurate history lesson, DUmmie ima_sinnic.]
There are disruptors - some paid, some volunteer amateurs
who post things on Democratic boards to try to make the left look bad. They tend to get picked up quickly by the right-wing talk shows and quoted on the air.
[Paid disruptors could never come up with the "gems" that the DUmmies naturally produce.]
Hate is not only not wrong - it is, sometimes, the only reasonable response to save your own life. Tolerance is all fine and well, but when they come for me they will have to fight because I HATE them
[So was this hate and intolerance gem posted by a paid disrupter? Naw. I think this was a real DUmmie.]
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