Head DUmmie Skinner Slams Democrats
Head DUmmie Skinner is a strange dude. If you have ever seen a rare pic of him, he looks like a 15 year old kid trapped in the body of a 14 year old boy. Rather than being a fiery leftwing firebrand he is a rather passive type who allowed DUmmieland to be used by various unsavory characters, such as Bev Harris, as an easy source to shill money. His failure to enforce even the simplest of netiquette rules such as cracking down on excessive profanity, allowed the Daily Kos to quickly surpass DUmmieland as the biggest web gathering place of leftwing loons. Daily Kos is flush with cash, albeit much of it from sleazy blogola activities, while Skinner is just barely managing to get by. He rarely even gets out front on issues dear to DUmmies such as the 9-11 Truther cult. However, I guess Skinner has now decided to slam the Democrats because he knows the DUmmies would never tolerate his normally passive attitude. Therefore we now see Skinner striking out at the Democrats for caving on the surrender timetable of the Iraq war funding bill as you can see in this THREAD titled, "If you are going to go down, there are times when it is better to go down fighting." So let us now watch Skinner and the DUmmies go down fighting in Bolshevik Red while the commentary of your humble corresponding, hope that the DUmmies merely go down but not out so as not to deprive the DUFUs of continuing comedy material, is in the [brackets]:
If you are going to go down, there are times when it is better to go down fighting.
[DUmmieland or the Democrats?]
Like most of you, I am deeply disappointed by the so-called "compromise" between Bush and Congress, which does virtually nothing to move us toward an end to this disastrous war, while continuing to fund it.
[Your angst makes for OUR humor.]
As you all should know by now, I am a loyal Democrat, because I know there are extremely important differences between the two parties, and even if not all elected Democrats are perfect, they are, on the whole, much better than the alternative. I am also very much of a pragmatist, because I believe that sometimes compromise is necessary and proper in order to advance the greater good.
[GASP! You said "Democrat!" Don't you know you're supposed to say "Democratic?]
But I see absolutely no upside to this compromise. This was, quite simply, a display of cowardice on the part of our elected officials.
[The upside is all the comedy material provided to the DUmmie FUnnies by this Democrat collapse.]
Based on what I have read and heard in the media, it seems that the stated justification for this compromise is that we don't have the votes to override a veto by President Bush. Looking at the political reality in the Senate, I think it is almost certainly true that we don't have the votes. But I do not believe, either morally or politically, that in this case the inability to override a veto is a legitimate justification for utter capitulation.
[I like that term: Utter Capitulation.]
It's clear what the motivating factor is here. Some Democrats believe that if they fail to fund the war, they might appear weak, and they will be accused of not supporting the troops. And on some level they are right -- they would undoubtedly be accused of not supporting the troops. Normally, I think it is a good thing for elected leaders to think a few steps ahead politically and anticipate the response from the opposition. On some level I suppose I appreciate that they are being careful. But as of now I think we have officially gotten to a point (indeed, gone way past the point) where our fear of our opponent's attacks is leading us to abandon our most important priorities. If we are unwilling to take a stand on this -- an issue where the vast majority of Americans agrees with us, and which contributed hugely to our victories in the last election -- then there is no point in having the majority at all.
[You can give it back in '08.]
Democratic leaders in Congress have sent the message to Bush, loud and clear, that they are afraid of a fight. The president smacked us down like a group of pathetic schoolchildren, and all we can say is, "Thank you sir, can I have another?" The media sees that we wimped out on this one. They aren't spinning this as Democrats supporting the troops -- they're spinning this as Democratic soiled-underpants capitulation. And they are right.
[Soiled-Underpants Capitulation sounds even better than Utter Capitulation.]
What some Democrats in Congress have forgotten is that sometimes you can advance your agenda, and even improve your chances in the next election, even when you are not successful in passing your bill. Disagreements like this one inevitably involve risk, but they are also hugely important opportunities to illustrate the difference between us and them. This is our chance to show the country where we stand. And it is our chance to show the country where our opponents stand. Remember: We are on the same side as the majority of the country on this one. Surely it makes sense to raise the profile and show the voters, in the starkest possible way, the difference between the two parties.
[I think George (rhymes with) Lackoff calls this "framing."]
And it is well past time for us to publicly smack-down the ridiculous lie that opposing the war equals opposing the troops. By allowing ourselves to be so paralyzed by fear that we do nothing about this war, we are implicitly agreeing with that lie. We should welcome the opportunity, once an for all, to publicly and decisively tell the Republicans to take their faux love of the troops -- they love them so much that they insist on sending them to die in an open-ended, pointless war that even they know is already lost -- and cram it up their collective backside. It's time for a showdown. Let's settle this thing once and for all.
[Let's see. Head DUmmie Skinnner allows DUmmieland to be overtaken by the KOmmies and HE is giving advice to the Democrats? When is Dummieland going to have a yearly convention, Skinner, like the KOmmmies have? And local Pizza Hut meetups don't count.]
And while we're at it, let's call Lieberman's bluff. That guy knows that he only matters as long as he is caucusing with the Democrats. If he decides to bail and join the Republicans, then he's a nobody. Yes, it would tip control of the Senate to the Republicans, and that would be a bad thing. But if the Democrats grow some spine and show the country that we're serious about ending this war -- while showing over and over again that the Republicans support continuing it -- the 1-vote GOP majority in the Senate will be overcome in the next election. Until then, we can block their crap in the House.
[Great advice for the Democrats, Skinner. I hope they follow it. Hee! Hee!]
At this point, nothing requires us to pass a bill that Bush will sign -- at least not yet. We can keep sending him legislation that we know he will veto, over and over again. Each time, it will show that we're on the right side, and they're on the wrong side. And it will show that we have guts. If anyone is genuinely concerned about Democrats appearing weak, our unwillingness to take a stand on anything is a much greater sign of weakness than our position on the war.
[Speaking of appearing weak, Skinner, how about the many scams you allowed to take place in DUmmieland while you sat idly by sucking your thumb in the fetal position? BTW, Bev Harris is only $10 away from overturning the 2004 election.]
The time is now. Show this president that the Democrats are not to be f*cked with.
[A first here. Skinner uses a profanity and he comes off like a little boy trying to smoke a cigar for the first time. And now to hear from the other DUmmies...]
Emiliano Zappata: "I would rather die on my feet a free man than live on my knees a slave." Been my motto for years and I agree with you, Skinner. I wish the old dem party would come back. SIGH!
[Emiliano Zappata is only $10 away from soiling your underpants.]
We are not to be f*cked with, and somebody in Congress better get some damn backbone!
[Congress is only $10 away from getting some damn backbone.]
Now would be the time for a massive march on Washington.
[We hear that on a weekly basis.]
march this weekend
[Wrong. This weekend is still May.]
And we all know who the Dem powerbrokers are who quietly support the Lieberman approach on Iraq and terrorism.
[They are the the members of the Protocols of the Elders of Neocon.]
It is time to cram it up the backsides... Of a lot of people, from both sides of the aisle.
[Insert Ben Burch joke here...]
In that vein, where are you on impeachment?
[Asked Skinner's former friend, the sometimes sober Pied Piper Pitt.]
Still opposed.
[But you could be just $10 away from impeaching Bush, Skinner.]
My view is that we have squandered an important opportunity by capitulating so early and so decisively.
[Sort of like the way you capitulated control of your own DUmmieland and allowed it to be used as a base for scamming DUmmie suckers.]
Thanks, Skinner. Any possibility of getting the activist group going?
[DUAC! DUAC!
Well I just saw Edwards being interviewed By Chris Matthews. And he is not DLC compliant. He remains convicned that "Bush has to be stopped"
[The Pink Sapphire has your back.]
Are you going to start Anarchist Underground? ... If Anarchist Underground is too severe, we could change the name to The Populist Underground.
[aka PU. I like it!]
I've been avoiding DU lately, mainly because I'm just sick of finding out everything MY party is doing that I'm opposed to. This is just another time when they have said "I don't care what the people think, I'm going to bow down and let Bush kick me." There comes a time when they have to stand up to the bully, and I am losing hope that they will ever do it.
[How about Despair Underground? That works too.]
Somehow your postion does not make a lot of sense to me. Do nothing now, and hope that in the future things are different somehow, changed by some miracle or something.
[Uh-oh! A DUmmies takes issue with Skinner.]
I tend to think on a grass roots level. And here in rural upstate New York, one of the people I have enjoyed working with is not a democrat. He's a socialist.
[You say that like there's a difference.]
I've thought for years that the great unrealized potential of DU is in organization at the local level.
[DUAC! DUAC!]
For The Past Two Years Or So I've Been Saying It's Time!! TIME FOR REVOLUTION! If WE want to remain THE Democratic Party then WE will have to REVOLT!
[And you certainly are revolting.]
I am so disgusted it is almost beyond words. I am hoping that places such as Democratic Underground can help them understand just how disappointed and disgusted we are with them as Democrats. No one who votes for this monstrosity of a bill will ever see a penny from me.
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posted by PJ-Comix at 1:19 PM
12 Comments:
"I wish the old dem party would come back. SIGH!"
So do we widdle moonbat. They'd see you for what you are.
"We are not to be f*cked with,"
Yes you are, PJ does it several times a week.
"we could change the name to The Populist Underground."
Please, I dare you.
"If WE want to remain THE Democratic Party"
This from the group that screeched like the dickens when someone else said "democratIC party. Wow.
Skul
Completely adrift, lost in the wilderness, a fragmenting, dissolving bunch of wannabe Guevaras finally realizing that; not only are they not in control... they're not even taken particularly seriously.
Don't worry about them, though. There's a Gilligan's Island marathon on next week. They'll be fine.
Don't worry about them, though. There's a Gilligan's Island marathon on next week. They'll be fine.
GREAT! We can watch as Pitt and Ben Burch discuss whether they'd rather be plowed in the ass by Gilligan or the Skipper.
Mary Ann was the hot one.
I wonder what part of the simple four word sentence "The votes aren't there." Skinner does not understand.
Look! On the horizon! A windmill! Attack! Attack!
9/11 - THE TRUTH!
9/11 - EVIDENCE OF COMPLICITY
AWOL Chain of Command
a. It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.
b. Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.
Air Defense Failures
a. The US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.
b. Timelines: The various responsible agencies - NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable.
c. Was there an air defense standdown?
Pentagon Strike
How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation’s capital? How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?
Wargames
a. US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crashbombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.
b. The multiple military wargames planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue? There is evidence that the wargames created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were “real world or exercise.” Did wargames serve as the cover for air defense sabotage, and/or the execution of an “inside job”?
Flight 93
Did the Shanksville crash occur at 10:06 (according to a seismic report) or 10:03 (according to the 9/11 Commission)? Does the Commission wish to hide what happened in the last three minutes of the flight, and if so, why? Was Flight 93 shot down, as indicated by the scattering of debris over a trail of several miles?
THE DAY - SMOKING GUNS
Did cell phones work at 30,000 feet in 2001? How many hijackings were attempted? How many flights were diverted?
Demolition Lies and Fairy Tales
What caused the collapse of a third skyscraper, WTC 7, which was not hit by a plane? Were the Twin Towers and WTC 7 brought down by explosives? (See “The Case for Demolitions,” the websites wtc7.net and 911research.wtc7.net, and the influential article by physicist Steven Jones. See also items no. 16 and 24, below.)
FOREKNOWLEDGE & THE ALLEGED HIJACKERS
What did officials know? How did they know it?
a. Multiple allied foreign agencies informed the US government of a coming attack in detail, including the manner and likely targets of the attack, the name of the operation (the “Big Wedding”), and the names of certain men later identified as being among the perpetrators.
b. Various individuals came into possession of specific advance knowledge, and some of them tried to warn the US prior to September 11th.
c. Certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th.
Able Danger, Plus - Surveillance of Alleged Hijackers
a. The men identified as the 9/11 ringleaders were under surveillance for years beforehand, on the suspicion they were terrorists, by a variety of US and allied authorities - including the CIA, the US military’s “Able Danger” program, the German authorities, Israeli intelligence and others.
b. Two of the alleged ringleaders who were known to be under surveillance by the CIA also lived with an FBI asset in San Diego, but this is supposed to be yet another a coincidence.
Bush's Secret Government
a. The record of criminality and sponsorship of coups around the world by the covert networks based within the US intelligence complex.
b. Specifically also: The evidence of crime by Bush administration principals and their associates, from October Surprise to Iran-Contra and the S&L plunder to PNAC, Enron/Halliburton, Bechtel, Diebold and beyond.
Idiot Patriot, if all this is true, how in the world did they let *you* find out?
I just luuuuuuuuuv Truthers. They totally distract from doing anything useful, and they make anyone who pays any attention to them look just as idiotic as they are.
That was a bit too long even for typical tl;dr Truther schtick, TP. A+ for effort, though...how long did it take you to compile all that crap? Hardly seems worth the effort, especially since Truthers come with a built-in self-parody feature, anyway.
Two things....
(1) The loons had better hope the old Democratic Party DOES NOT come back, because if it does, they will find themselves back on the lunatic fringe where they belong and ignored instead of where they are now, in charge of the Socialist Democrat Party.
(2) I find it stunning how easily "True Patriot" can slam his head up his ass like that and how far he can shove his head up his ass. Problem is every time he does that, he spews worthless mental excrement everywhere (which really stinks to high heaven). I think "True Patriot" is actually an idiot I know in Phoenix who earned the nickname "Don The Moron" for blindly spewing the same lies about the September 11 Attacks as the lying moron "True Patriot" does.
Best part, TP is a true "copy-paste" socialist. Whoo-hoo.
Skul
"At this point, nothing requires us to pass a bill that Bush will sign -- at least not yet. We can keep sending him legislation that we know he will veto, over and over again."
In other words, let's lock up the government completely so the people know that the Democrat party is not interested in actually performing their required job of creating legislation that both parties can and do support but instead will only be used to punish Bush and the Republicans for being conservatives. They want all government activity to stop so they can say: "We have assumed control and nothing will stop us from imposing our ideals upon the entire country!". That would let the American people see the true objective of the Democrats, which is the complete control of all Americans regardless of what American people want or need (since the Democrats only hold 49 Senate seats, doesn't that mean that less then half of the American people support the Democrat party and their ideals? That's what it looks like to me!) Do that and most of the Democrats will not be re-elected in 08. Sounds like a good idea to me.
BTW DUmmies, you can not claim to support the troops when you insist that they pull out before their mission is complete and the Iraqi government is strong enough to secure their own country. That would be telling the troops that all their hard work and sacrifice was for nothing and that we, as a country, don't support their efforts to actually bring stability to Iraq. That's not a very good way to show support for our troops or our allies in Iraq now, is it?
After all, we pulled our troops out of Vietnam and cut off all funds only two years after the peace agreement was signed with North Vietnam and look what happened. The North invaded the South again, the President was prevented by congress from intervening, and millions of people perished in the aftermath in Vietnam and the surrounding countries. All because we (meaning the Democrat party which controlled congress) abandoned a valuable ally in S.E. Asia and left them unable to protect themselves. Is that what you want for Iraq and the middle east?
Do you really want the middle east to collapse into hundreds of tribal and civil wars that will engulf the entire area and kill tens of millions of people? Do you really want Israel to be attacked even more that they are now? Do you really want Iran to become the dominant force in the area, a country that has called for the destruction of all democratic governments and the imposition of worldwide Caliphate? Do you really want to send the message to the entire world that America will not support our allies when there is the possibility that a few Americans may be killed in combat? Do you really want our country to be destroyed by making our military meaningless like that? If so, then you must be the DUmbest people on earth.
For The Past Two Years Or So I've Been Saying It's Time!! TIME FOR REVOLUTION! If WE want to remain THE Democratic Party then WE will have to REVOLT!
I've been waiting in vain for their revolution. So many DUmmies, so few hollow points.
Ray asked: "Do you really want the middle east to collapse into hundreds of tribal and civil wars that will engulf the entire area and kill tens of millions of people?"
Well, it would be their natural state. I've got more than enough popcorn.
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