Head DUmmie Skinner cheers ObamaRx victory, but not all are happy campers
Well, as you might expect, the DUmmies are cheering this ObamaRx victory. At least some of them are. Head DUmmie Skinner, for one, in this THREAD, "A Promise to the American People."
But not all the campers are happy. Many recognize the ObamaRx prescription as merely Mutual of Obama--a mandated health insurance bill, under the threat of fine, that will not lower premiums or improve care. And they recognize that political payback is coming on November 2. If the polls are any indication, the Dems may be laughing all the way to the brink--the brink of a steep cliff they will plunge over when the voters strike back. We'll see.
And so maybe we conservatives need to try to find a laugh or two ourselves. This DUFU actually encouraged me! I expected to find the DUmmies in nothing but FULL gloat mode, that at least this is a start on the road to full-blown Marxism. But I was surprised to find so many of them were able to see the massive problems with this bill, both practical and political. This tells me a lot of other people will be angry with the Democrats come November. One can hope.
So let a smile be your pre-existing condition, as we venture into DUmmieland, in Bolshevik Red, while the commentary of your humble guest correspondent, Charles Henrickson, taking a quick break from his Lenten hiatus to remind everyone that "This too shall pass" applies to more than bills, is in the [Barackets]:
A Promise to the American People.
[A Premium Increase to the American People.]
It's been said a million times here that this bill is not perfect.
[Democratic Understatement.]
Like most people on DU, I would have preferred a single-payer system. . . .
[As long as that single payer is someone richer than me.]
But even if it is less than I had hoped for, this is still a historic piece of legislation.
[It gets the camel's nose into the tent.]
Quite possibly the most important piece of legislation of my 38-year lifetime.
[Quite probably the most socialist piece of crap in my 57-year lifetime.]
For the first time ever, the people of this country are making this promise to our fellow citizens: Affordable health coverage for everyone.
["Affordable"? I'll believe that when my premiums go down by the $2500 Dr. ObamaRx promised. "Health coverage"? I'll remember that when I have an ear infection and have to wait six months to see a government-approved doctor to get a prescription. "For everyone"? WHEEEEE!!!!!! Look at me, I'm doing cartwheels!!!]
Only time will tell if the bill can actually deliver on this promise.
[Only history and common sense will already tell you: IT CANNOT!]
But now that the promise has been made, it's going to be very difficult for anyone to take it back.
[Translation: Head DUmmie Skinner already is anticipating stunning defeats for the Democrats in November. But even so, he also is anticipating the party line after that: "You can't change it now!"]
It is inevitable that this legislation will not work exactly as it is intended. Problems will arise that will need to be fixed.
[Needs more socialism!]
I do not know what those problems will be, and I have no clue how they will be fixed.
[Basically, I'm a stupid, blithering idiot! That's why I'm a Democrat.]
Health care is now the responsibility of the United States Congress.
[Oh joy. Why does that thought not thrill my heart?]
The promise has been made. If they try to renege, they do so at their peril.
[I think it's the Democrats who are in peril, because they neged in the first place.]
Congratulations to President Obama, and to Speaker Pelosi, and to every Member of Congress who had the guts to do the right thing.
[Congratulations to Dr. ObamaRx and Nurse Nancy and Bart Stupid and Harry the Undertaker and and all the rest of you socialist swine! Here's to you, you Commie traitors! May you get what you richly deserve!]
To all the members of DU, I want to thank you for keeping this debate mostly civil.
[Except for those times when you were at each other's throat because things weren't moving far left enough, fast enough, which was--and will be?--most of the time.]
Still, there are some pretty deep wounds here right now. . . .
[Dr. ObamaRx can see you in about, oh, 18 months, to treat your wounds.]
we all want what is best for this country.
[Communism. Now let's hear from a few of the fellow travelers . . .]
We have class, compassion and feelings for the poor and needy.
[Good, 'cause now EVERYBODY is going to be poor and needy. WHOOPEEE!!!]
I love our President.
[Signed, Barack Obama.]
Can't wait for the second act.
[I'm waiting for the November 2nd act.]
definitely the best one-term president since Carter
[Damning with faint prez! Hee! Hee!]
This is a wictory for corporations/lobbyists and DLC/Corporate Democrats!!
[Big Pharma had a GREAT day on Wall Street! Think of all subsidized drugs to sell!]
I'd bet you money this is going to turn into a windfall for insurance and a problem for almost everyone else.
[And for YOU, DUmmie bkozumplik! You win a KEWPIE DOLL for this Brief Moment of Mental Clarity!]
Wondering when someone would break that "Isn't Disneyland wonderful!" mood going on. . . .
[Welcome to Pirates of the Health-Care-ibbean.]
The genie is out of the bottle. . . .
[Some of us are hitting the bottle.]
"Tenet Healthcare Corp. gained 9% in the wake of passage of a health-care overhaul after a year of debate. Health Management Associates Inc. rose 11.3%." . . . Do these numbers mean anything to anybody? Or is everyone too drunk on champagne to notice?
[FREUDENSCHADE, BAY-BEEEEEEE!!!! WHEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!]
Is this a grouse?
[Look at the grouse!]
Hang on, it's gonna be a bumpy ride...but we're going someplace very special!
[Over the cliff, in November! Happy landing!]
I think it's going to hurt the Dems in the next election cycle(s).
[Thank you, Nostradamus, for that daring prediction.]
The only promise in the passage is a promise to further impose for-profit insurers between me and my doctors.
. . . and the promise to separate you from approximately 30% of your income, with nothing guaranteed in return. . . .
[Sorry, guys, only one Kewpie Doll per thread.]
I don't understand how people think forcing people to buy insurance is going to be popular. It's not. I think it will be okay until the fines kick in. I also think the Republicans are going to get into office and dismantle this--or make it completely unbearable.
[Just call me Mickey Dismantle!]
IRS will do the forcing!!! They will take 2% of your income if you don't sign up!!
[THANK you, Dr. ObamaRx and Nurse Nancy and Bart Stupid and Harry the Undertaker, for this brave new world you're creating!]
Since so many here think of government as a football game, we should see that we didn't make a touchdown. Through timidity, fumbles, and missed calls, we have been pushed back to almost our own goal. All we did yesterday is pick up a first down.....barely.
[But on November 2, Charlie Brown--on November 2, you can kick the winning field goal!]
What if someone can't afford to buy that mandated healthcare?
[GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL. DO NOT PASS GO, DO NOT COLLECT $200.]
this bill sure looks sh*ttier the more questions you ask about it.
[Then stop asking questions. Go with the Fantasyland version the Democrats are putting out there.]
Anyone who thinks this is going to be popular is living in a dream world.
[But it's OUR dream world!]
As a gay man any politician's promise is less than nothing to me.
[Let me guess: Bawney gave you a promise ring.]
This entire process has been like inviting someone into your house for a meal, watching as they light the place on fire, stare in disbelief as they chuck the fire extinguisher out the window and cut off your water, and then, when everything is smoldering ashes, they turn to you and go "Why so glum? We can rebuild it! Aren't you excited? Don't be such a downer! Destroying your house was progress!"
[Fire Marshall Barry.]
I call them the Ike Turner Democrats. After spending a year beating the crap out of anything and everything slightly to the Left of Newt Gingrich, now it's "C'mon, baby. You know I love you. Things will be great from now on, you'll see!"
[I Like Ike!]
We certainly know what it's like to be pissed on by Democrats. . . .
[Is that you, benburch?]
Prediction. My health insurance is going to go up big time after mandated coverage because it will now be mandated by law and enforced by the IRS and because there is nothing to stop them. Those who think that because they already have insurance that they, themselves, won't be affected are as wrong as they can be and they're going to be furious when they find out.
[Jeane Dixon now, with another daring prediction.]
I'm hoping this is water on the wicked witch of the health insurance industry.
[It'll be more like an army of flying-monkey IRS agents and red-tape bureaucrats.]
one of our nation's biggest health problems concerns undiagnosed mental illness.
[Especially in DUmmieland.]
When it fully hits the American people that they will be forced to buy health insurance, at whatever rates that are presented to them (and God knows what they will be), or lose tax refunds, they will be enraged. It's just a really really unpopular concept, and I cannot comprehend how Democrats don't understand this. . . . will be seen as a massive giveway to the insurance companies - which it is - and which will be seen as more government intrusion into the life of most Americans, who will not be positively impacted by this bill. . . . what's in it for them, is higher premiums, enforced coverage, and no improvement of plans or reduction of costs. This is insane. I predict a big loss for the Dems in 2012 and 1 term for Obama.
[From your lips to Gaia's ears! Thanx for that optimistic glimmer of hope! Yes, an enraged, awakened electorate would be just what the doctor ordered!]
We took a giant sh*t in the Freepers' mouths last night. Eat it, b*st*rds.
[At least you admit what this bill really is. And we'll see who's eating what in November.]
posted by PJ-Comix at 8:38 AM
19 Comments:
The blowback on this is going to be colossal.
The quiet, independent Americans who are aghast at the doin's of the Congressional whorehouse as led by SuperPimp B. Hinsane Obama are going to whip up a landslide of anti-liberal, anti-democrat and anti-incumbent votes.
I can't wait.
Surf's up!
"But not all the campers are happy. Many recognize the ObamaRx prescription as merely Mutual of Obama--a mandated health insurance bill, under the threat of fine, that will not lower premiums or improve care." PJinc
God. So is it that I, troglaman, a dumbshit liberal, haven't been telling you all FOR FRICKIN EVER that this would become the goddamn bill?
That'd be a 'yes'. That'd be when you were all telling me I was full of shit.
And PJ's "Mutual of Obama" is just so fucking lame lame lame because he's now putting a corporate tag (Mutual of Obama) on THE GOVERNMENT and making it a bad thing. A bad thing until it becomes a good thing when applied to Mutual of Omaha. It's bullshit.
It should be noted that anyone investing in 'The Mutual of W' lost their frickin asses. Just sayin.
Here is something to help you be a little less retarded:
BLOG: http://conflictions5.blogspot.com
I know your health care concerns all revolve around your fears that it will take you a little longer to get your nuts shaved at the local clinic, but guess what you racist, backassward "individualist" mutherfuckers: 33 million more americans will have healthcare because of this bill.
I know you don't care about the poor or, even whether or not someone else goes bankrupt trying to buy their 6 year old insulin for their diabetes, but at least look at it this way: now you can openly project all your hateful frustrations out on a (half) black man in public without getting beat-downs from the more educated members of your town. It's cool to hate black people again! You've been waiting for this chance to HATE openly! SO enjoy!
go grab yer hoods! break out those yankee songs and let the world know that you don't care about other americans (millions of children without coverage), or even about anyone else other than "yer people".
But please do check out my blog - if for nothing else, just swing by and spread your self-centered values and hate so the whole world can continue to laugh at you...
Cheers~
m-
PS-fact is Canada and many European countries have had government health care for decades and they don't have near the debt and social problems as the U.S, and they have rated much much higher all objective 'standard of living' indexes for years... But we all know facts don't matter as much as the ideology of "individualism" blackening the heart of many americans...
Ooh, the troglaclones are out tonight!
Guess what geniuses? This bill spends tons of money fixing NOTHING. It is the worst of all possible worlds.
Don't have healthcare right now because you can't afford it? Well you'd better be able to afford it, or else we'll FINE YOU! Yeah, that'll show those poor people.
Don't have healthcare right now because you don't want it? Well, too bad! Buy it anyway!
Have healthcare right now provided by your company? Well, good luck with that. This bill almost makes it an incentive to drop employee health care coverage.
It fixes NOTHING the dems said it does. In many cases it does the OPPOSITE of what a reasonable health care bill would do. Congrats dems, congrats.
"but guess what you racist, backassward "individualist" mutherfuckers: 33 million more americans will have healthcare because of this bill."
Feel the love.. Now dipshit, who's PAYING for those "33 million more" Americans AND where are the doctors to provide medial services to them going to come from?
Trying to cast this entire debate in terms of race is just the lowest form of intellectual bigotry around.
Is this supposed to be some sort of argument or just an attempt to stop discussion entirely?
Individualist: You know there WAS a time in the country when the government WAS in fact of and by the people. Sadly, that is no longer. In addition, we as a nation are QUICKLY losing the fundemental aspect of the American ideal and that is responsibility.
It's NOT individualisim, its known as personal responsiblity for NOT only yourself, you have a responsibility to contribute, to be educated and informed, to be involved, to take an ACTIVE part in the governance of this nation because WE THE PEOPLE are in fact the 'government'.
Well we were at one time but over the past number of decades, we've been MORE than happy to turn that responsibility over to a group of bought and paid for shills and demagogues in Washington most of whom care MORE about their party, ideology or wallets/bank accounts then they do you or I.
We have seen the dawn of a new socialist U.S.A. If ANYBODY thinks this new 'progam' is deficit neutral, then they have NOT actually read the bill and do NOT understand the fact that this entitlement payment will be coming due for our children and their children.
After the 2012 election, healthcare as we know it in the country will change forever. There is NO doubt in my mind that insurance companies will move out of the health 'insurance' market mainly because they will NOT be allowed or even capable of competing with the government run program.
This WILL leave us with a single payer system and THAT my friends puts us SQUARELY on the road to becoming France.
There is NO DOUBT in my mind that the so called 'progressives' are now LICKING their chops at our current defense spending levels.
I GUARANTEE that within the next few years you'll see those expenditures reduced in order to put yet even MORE money into governement programs that will be needed to shore up a system that over time, will balloon into a fiscal disaster of biblical proportions.
We've already seen what a drain on our manufacturing industry can do to jobs, peoples lives and tax revenues, just wait until that drain starts hitting OTHER industries as the cost of starting and doing business in the U.S. of A skyrockets.
We've been in an downward spiral economically for years, strangulating our OWN economy with government regulations and taxes which FORCE businesses elsewhere taking those precious jobs and incomes with them.
This new program will do NOTHING but accelerate that process.
Mark my words, the 'new' government in Washington WILL be adding a VAT tax soon. They have to. Social Security is already underfunded and running out. Other entitlements are in the same boat and the federal government will HAVE to drum up NEW revenue streams to help pay for it all.
These NEW streams (ie, Taxes) will futher increase the velocity of that downward spiral I mentioned, leaving the U.S. of A. a hollow shell of it's self, rotted from the inside out.
If you couple what the baffons in Washington have done with what the 'progressives' have been able to do in regards to education....
Well I see the good ol U.S. of A. becoming a second rate power, both econmically and militarily.
Just like France and England.
I'm just thankful that I won't live long enough to see the total destruction that is fast approaching my friends.
G-d help them.
Michael you ignorant slut:
15 million of those are illegal aliens. They - in theory - wont be covered in any case, fuckwad.
Of the other 18 million - a figure you and other assholes now throw out because 50 million wasnt believable - many already qualify for assistance.
Please cut the bullshit. Youre not interested in "the poor". You just think the rest of us want to pay for YOUR insurance.
Michael relies on the two favorite stereotypes and insults for liberals to sling at conservatives without any proof, since that's the only debating tactic they know:
1. If you don't fully support a Socialized healthcare system which will further bankrupt our country and not do much at all to help those in need, that means you're automatically an evil, greedy monster who hates the poor.
2. If you don't worship Obama as a god and fully support every single one of his policies, including his moronic healthcare policy which will bankrupt us and cause job losses to further skyrocket, that means you're automatically an evil racist who hates all black people.
You of course offer nothing to back up those pathetic assertions, because namecalling is all you have.
"fact is Canada and many European countries have had government health care for decades and they don't have near the debt and social problems as the U.S,"
You're invoking CANADA as an example of government health care being a good thing?
Canada's healthcare system is the laughingstock of the entire world. Americans make fun of Canada's healthcare system. Europeans make fun of Canada's healthcare system. Canadians make fun of Canada's healthcare system! See, it's not much fun having to wait 4- 6 months for a basic checkup (Let alone a major operation such as surgery), as you do in Canada.
"1.If you don't fully support a Socialized healthcare system which will further bankrupt our country and not do much at all to help those in need, that means you're automatically an evil, greedy monster who hates the poor." adam
Wrong. Supporting the CURRENT system will bankrupt the country...fact. And, whether or not you want to admit it, supporting the current system means supporting greed which makes you an evil monster. A frothing demon.
Were you deriding the Iraq war when it was sucking up 100's of billions of dollars and 100,000's of lives? I don't think so. And now you want to deny people (our people) the right to get medical care.
You, adam, might want stop making yourself into the hypocritical Christian fool you've already made yourself to be. Because if you persist with this horseshit, I, troglaman, will rip you up. And I'll enjoy it.
If you believe in Jesus (which I don't think you do), then your objections about taking care of people (our people) for a fraction of the cost that it takes to make war on people (other people) is disgraceful. Immoral. It's as simple as that.
You don't fool me, adam. I know an idol worshiper when I see one.
troglaman,
"Supporting the CURRENT system will bankrupt the country."
Here's bad news for a stalwart fiscal conservative like you. The CBO predicts that the current federal deficit of $8.2 trillion will balloon to $20 trillion by 2010, that's an deficit increase of over a trillion dollars a year. The average household's share of the debt will be $170,000 in 2010. I'm sure our children and grandchildren will gladly pay for Obama's profligate spending.
So who's bankrupting who here?
"I know an idol worshipper when I see one."
And I know a pollyanna when I see one.
A trillion dollars, mull over that figure---think about it. It's a thousand billion dollars. We (our people) will owe twenty thousand billion dollars in 2010...and we'll have rationed health care.
"A trillion dollars, mull over that figure" elrond
No. You mull. Because this is what you left us with.
No matter how you want to spin it, this is what you left us with.
I'm so so sick of you frickin turnip seeds preaching fiscal pride. I'm sick of it. We had eight years of your fiscal conservatism and it lead us HERE. It lead to Obama being elected. Get it? Your absolute ineptitude, empty ideological void, and a combined denseness worthy of "The World's Smartest Barnacle" lead us here.
Obama won the election. In spades (excuse the pun). FDR created the template for getting us out of shit like this. The New Deal worked. Spend money. Create jobs. Improve the infrastructure. Spend money.
Hoover was wrong and so are all of you.
I know it's painful but I, troglaman, am going to reiterate that fact that not one of you have been right about anything over the past decade.
Not. One. Thing. Not one.
That's not a hypothetical statement, it's a proven statement. And until someone comes up with a solution other than "I love liberty", you don't have a prayer of being taken seriously.
Troglamatic prediction (mark it down) - the tea-baggers are going to fuck-up the RepubliDums in 2010. Why? Because they're crazy. And they're shamelessly backed by the RNC. You're all eating your own at this point.
You can bet I'll be revisiting this prediction late November...and beating you over the head with it. Mark it down. I'm way way better than Rush and his lemmings in the prediction department. Way better.
And anyone listening knows it.
Trogs,
"The New Deal worked. Spend Money. Create jobs. Improve the infrastructure. Spend money."
You sound like a friggin' parrot squawking the party line. Sadly the New Deal did not work. From 1933 to 1941, the unemployment rate in the U.S. never dipped below 10%, it didn't return to pre-crash levels until 1942 as FDR's war on business gave way to the war on the Axis (putting millions of men into unifrom does reduce unemployment).
All your predictions, all your denunciations of Chimpy, won't make that $20 trillion deficit go away and won't save our posterity from a crushing debt.
Obama inherited a national debt of $6.3 trillion. He raised the ante to $8.2 trillion in just 14 months and you're talking away a projected $20 trilion deficit by babbling Keynesian nostrums.
The United States can't spend it's way back to prosperity by borrowing money or printing it.
Here's a prediction, within a year (maybe two) we'll be seeing moves to impose a value added tax to "solve" our deficit problems.
And anyone reading this knows it.
Troglamatic prediction (mark it down) - the tea-baggers are going to fuck-up the RepubliDums in 2010. Why? Because they're crazy. And they're shamelessly backed by the RNC. You're all eating your own at this point.
Now, now, now, troggy please be a little more specific.
How are the teabaggers going to fuck this up, are we talking the Democrat party keeping the house, the senate or both?
You will have nothing to gloat about if you are so wishy washy...
meanwhile
AT&T is calling for a $1 billion write down
write-down wave also includes....
Deere & Co., $150 million;
Caterpillar, $100 million;
AK Steel, $31 million;
3M, $90 million;
Valero Energy, up to $20 million.
these are all companies that subsidize their healthcare to retirees.
What do you want to bet that
GE
Boeing
UPS
are going to be next?
Don't financial accounting rules require that corporations immediately restate their earnings to reflect the present value of their long-term health liabilities, including a higher tax burden.
"...are we talking the Democrat party keeping the house, the senate or both?" elrond
Both.
You can quote financials all you want. W's budget ended 8 months into Obama's term. We're digging out of the damage caused by your ideology. It didn't work. Your continued efforts at stating differently have absolutely no merit. Why? Because you have no solutions. All you do is bitch.
The tea-baggers are loons.
"The whammy: 14 percent of Americans say President Barack Obama may be the Antichrist. When split by political party, 24 percent of Republicans and 6 percent of Democrats viewed the nation's leader in this way."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20100325/sc_livescience/quarterofrepublicansthinkobamamaybetheantichrist
One in four of you believe Obama's the frickin anitchrist. And, mark my words, you're a tea-bagger if you think so. Same thing with the birth certificate. Same thing with the Kenya thing and the "He's going for your guns" shit. Communist. Socialist. Nazi. Muslim. Tyrant. Radical racist Christian. Witch Doctor.
Never mind that most of these things are mutually exclusive, many of you believe this shit. That makes you a loony-assed tea-bagger. And, according to this poll, these beliefs make up a fairly significant part of the RepubliDUm headset.
It's going to make a difference in the primaries and the generals. And it's the RepubliDUm incumbents that are at risk. McCain. Crist. They've both started playing to these loons because they're being seriously challenged in the primaries.
The rest of us know the baggers are nuts. Crazy. Insane.
Most of you don't.
That's a good thing. And why we'll maintain majorities in both the house and the senate.
We'll see. I, troglaman, haven't been wrong since 2004. My luck's due to run out soon.
troggy,
I didn't say what you quote me as saying, Thomas F. said it. I'm responsible only for my own lunacy.
I see you're still plugged into the party line, sounding like a Frank Rich wannabe. You're part of the concerted Donk effort to delegitimize dissent by defaming and demonizing "teabaggers" (even the nic is snide).
It's not going to work, the people are on to your tricks. Opposition to Democrat program goes far beyond the Tea Party movement.
"Ignore that $20 trillion deficit behind the curtain!"
But I do agree with you in this respect; I don't think the Rethuglicans will regain the House or the Senate in November. They'll pick up seats, but not enough for a plurality.
"You can quote financials all you want. W's budget ended 8 months into Obama's term. We're digging out of the damage caused by your ideology. It didn't work. Your continued efforts at stating differently have absolutely no merit. Why? Because you have no solutions. All you do is bitch."
How is my posting the fact that all of these companies are by law reporting their corrected financials due to changes in tax law that have been inacted.... bitching these hits are directly connected to increases in taxes due to the HCR.
"It's not going to work, the people are on to your tricks." elrond
What tricks?
I'm not denying the deficit. And I'm not saying that Obama isn't attempting to spend his way out of it.
What's the alternative? And you can't say cut taxes and/or let the free market work because we've already tried that and IT DIDN'T WORK.
Bottom line is you don't have an alternative. Nothing. It's a big problem.
"I'm not denying the deficit. And I'm not saying that Obama isn't attempting to spend his way out of it."
How do you spend your way out of a deficit? It's like taking a cash loan on your credit card to pay off the credit card balance. You're on an express elevator to the septic tank of history.
My cake sale will do more for the economy. How are you at baking muffins?
How did Thomas F do that link and why can't I do one?
"How do you spend your way out of a deficit?" elrond
Your guy had a deficit to spend his way out of. How'd he do it?
He didn't. He made it historically worse.
What's your friggin alternative elrond?
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