Lousy Freeper Troll speaks truth to DUmmies!
Every once in a while, a LOUSY FREEPER TROLL!!! is so artful that he can infiltrate a DUmmieland thread and actually string together a series of conservative posts before he gets himself banned. This is what we have today from DUmmie/LFT liberal_economist, who discombobulates the DUmmies here in this THREAD started by genuine DUmmie samrock, "They should not be called entitlements.. they are earned benefits!!"
What DUmmie liberal_economist does that so upsets the DUmmies is to expose the real basis of socialist wealth redistribution, i.e., that basically the government steals your money from you by force and redistributes it to people who have not earned it. That is the cornerstone of the whole Democrat Party program for the last 80 years. They don't like to admit it, but it is what it is. And DUmmie liberal_economist tells it like it is.
So let us now watch DUmmie liberal_economist SPEAK TRUTH TO DUMMIES, which causes the DUmmies to get all shook up, in Bolshevik Red, while the commentary of your humble guest correspondent, Charles Henrickson--rapidly approaching his sixtieth birthday on March 7, putting him that much closer to collecting a small fraction of the benefits he actually has paid for, many times over--is in the [brackets]:
They should not be called entitlements.. they are earned benefits!!
[DUmmie samrock demands a retitlement! He doesn't like the "E" word. It sounds too liberal, and honest liberalism doesn't sell well.]
Every time I hear some one from our side use the term entitlements I just want to slap them aside of their head and say.. NO!!!
[See the violent rhetoric from DUmmie samrock!]
I PAY SS tax.. I PAY into medicare.. These are earned benefits..
[So should only those who PAY for them GET them? That would be fair, wouldn't it? And you guys are all about fairness.]
Do no use the other-sides language.. Sheesh..When we will learn words have meanings..
[You are about to get a lesson in the meaning of the word "earned," DUmmie samrock. DUmmie liberal_economist is on his way.]
Entitlements also refer to benefits that are not 'earned' such as medicaid. . . .
[DUmmie Freddie Stubbs gets the truth-ball rolling, anticipating the arrival of DUmmie liberal_economist.]
They are called entitlements because we are ENTITLED to them because we earned them.
[Even if we haven't earned them.]
I disagree, its not earned benefits. How do you define 'earned'? If i work all of my life to earn my own income does that mean that when i retire or get injured or unemployed that i now have earned the right to a portion of someone elses income?
[Hello, DUmmie liberal_economist! I see you are carrying a big bag of truth to unload on the DUmmies. Please proceed . . .]
its easy to define' earned' as the individual working to earn their own income and property. Its much more difficult to define 'earned' as the individual retiring to earn someone elses income and property.
[At first I was going to award DUmmie liberal_economist a Kewpie Doll, which he has richly earned for this Brief Moment of Mental Clarity. But then, as liberal_economist went on, and I noticed his post count (33 posts), I saw we were really dealing with a LOUSY FREEPER TROLL!!!]
the government uses force to entitle you to another individuals property. I say government uses force because its true. Suppose i disagree and i say 'no, i dont want to give you or the government my income or property', they will send agents to come and take it, to use violence if i resist, to use jail if i resist, and ultimately kill me if i continue to resist, all to take my property against my will, to give it to you, or someone else who feels they have earned whats mine.
[Exactly! The Truthometer is hitting 100%!]
this is purely a philosophical point. full disclosure so nobody accuses me of being some crazy libertarian randian.
[No, I accuse you of being a LOUSY FREEPER TROLL!!!]
i fully support SS, i make 34k a year, and without it, id have no retirement at all.
[So either you ARE a Lousy Freeper Troll, or else you are a DUmmie who is content to steal money you haven't earned but at least is honest about it.]
but it is a complicated issue morally, do i have the moral right to use government force and violence to take other peoples property for my own benefit. i dont know.
[I think you DO know, DUmmie liberal_economist, but you're providing yourself a cover so you won't get tombstoned. Let's see if it works . . .]
You seem a bit paranoid...you might want to work on that.
[One DUmmie telling another DUmmie that they seem paranoid. Feel the irony.]
[DUmmie liberal_economist responds . . .]
do these older people have the right to my income? do i have the right to other peoples income when i retire? if i do, its important to note that these rights are based entirely on the use of government force and violence, do i have the morally right to someones income and to kill them or lock them in jail if they resist surrendering it to me? if you say yes, then. . . .
[If you say yes, then you are a Democrat.]
whats the moral arguement, its complicated to me.
[Another attempt at tombstone-proofing by DUmmie liberal_economist.]
I'm in favor of a Government that has a constitution that begins with the words "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare. . . ."
[DUmmie OldDem2012 trots out the OldDUmb misinterpretation of the "general welfare" clause.]
Somehow, I think you may have stumbled on the wrong board. Read the terms of service: Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).
[Only left-wing wingnuts need apply.]
the general welfare in the consitution doesnt mean what you think it means. . . .
[DUmmie liberal_economist is hitting on all cylinders.]
Entitlement comes off as a weak word.. the republicans use to say look.. those guys want the government to give them stuff.. well earned benefits say we earned these..
[DUmmie samrock comes back with his "Don't use the 'E' word" spiel, which has been totally lost by this point.]
how could you earn something belonging to someone who youve never even met? if youre only entitled to what youve personally earned, then whats the point of the SS tax at all? it just gives you whats already yours, its a wash. so what you really mean is youve somehow earned someone elses property and are entitled to it by the use of government force.
[DUmmie liberal_economist comes back with a truthload.]
atleast thats the other sides arguement it, and i dont have the philosophical answer to it because i'm not sure there is one.
[And the cover.]
No I earned the money that I pay as SS tax and medicare tax..the government invests it.. so when I retire I get to use those funds.. same for medicare taxes.. by investing my funds I have earned the right to get them back when I retire.. or need them for medical expenses ( from medicare taxes)..
[If you earned the money, DUmmie samrock, why can't you invest it on your own? What right does the government have to take it away from you, just to give it back to you?]
you did earn the money that 'you' payed into he SS tax but have you earned the right to others money?
[STOP IT, LIBERAL_ECONOMIST, STOP IT! THIS IS TOO MUCH TRUTH FOR DUMMIELAND TO HANDLE!!]
do i have a right to a portion of your income? if you resist and say no do i have a right to send a government agent to your home to beat you, take you to jail, or to kill you if you resist, do i have a right to take your property whether you like or not just because the government made some law giving me the authority to do so? is such a law even just?
[LA LA LA LA!!!! WE CAN'T HEEEEEAR YOU!!!! LOOK, OUR HANDS ARE OVER OUR EARS!!]
Honestly, I think you are WAY off target here. And perhaps on the wrong website.
[Honestly, honesty is not permitted in DUmmieland.]
no. i already said i support SS, without it id be screwed when i retire. . . .
[DUmmie liberal_economist, if indeed he is not a LFT, is saying this: "It's immoral, it's stealing, but I need it." Diogenes, I think you can call off your search. We have found the honest DUmmie.]
its actually pretty Fked up. . . . its a simple fact that SS money is property of the federal government, and not us, and they claim they have the primary entitlement to our income, and we're left with whatever they decide to leave us.
[Never has one man poured so much truth into one thread in DUmmieland. This has got to be a record.]
You are neither liberal, nor an economist.
[Go on, say it: He's a LOUSY FREEPER TROLL!!!]
I am glad you put this person in place. I exchanged a few words with him/her and got the same impression. . . . I will remember the "liberal_economist" moniker.
[It's not working, liberal_economist! Prepare for tombstoning!]
I have worked for over 50 years and paid into the Social Security system and I am ENTITLED to those benefits.
[Well, good for you. But what about those who HAVEN'T paid in for over 50 years? Are they ENTITLED? And what if you start taking out of Social Security and Medicare MORE than you paid in? Then you ARE taking money that somebody else paid in. Or what if you pay in for 40 years, just shy of retirement, and then you drop dead of a heart attack? What happens to the money you earned and paid in all those years? Can you will it to whomever you wish? . . . Wait, I see smoke startting to come out of your ears. This thinking business is overloading your circuits.]
if you do not surrender your property rights to the government simply because they have made some law declaring that you do so, is this tyrannical?
[C'mon, liberal_economist, you know the answer to that . . .]
is this not technically the definition of theft? the taking of another persons property without consent. is it moral to do this? can some people vote to taken away the property rights of others?
[Yes, we can!]