"How is BORAT any different than BLACKFACE?"
It takes a great stretch even for the DUmmie imagination to compare the fictitious Borat portraying an imaginary resident of Kazakhstan to wearing blackface. However, in the age of the politically correct I guess it is not surprising to finding loons who will take offense to almost anything no matter how ridiculous. On the subject of blackface, I was actually thinking about this yesterday before I saw this DUmmie THREAD titled, "How is BORAT any different than BLACKFACE?" The reason why is that I was watching The Jolson Story on cable late at night. I thought this subject would make for a great remake since that movie, although very entertertaining, was highly fictionalized. That thought was quickly followed by a second thought that such a remake would be impossible today since the wearing of blackface by Al Jolson (also by Eddie Cantor) is way too sensitive of a subject to be portrayed on the big screen today. Neither Jolson nor Cantor were at all racist since wearing of blackface was a common practice in the early 20th century but in this day and age any film bio about Jolson would be slammed for showing blackface portrayals. Too bad in a way because after watching that Jolson movie I did some research on him and found out that Jolson was quite a patriot and was the first entertainer to go to Korea to sing for the troops after that war broke out. In fact he went against the advice of his doctors and suffered a heart attack as a result and soon died when he returned to the states. But enough with Al Jolson history. Let us now watch the DUmmies stir up yet another controversy where none really exists in Bolshevik Red while the commentary of your humble correspondent, planning on LMAO at the Borat movie soon, is in the [brackets]:
How is BORAT any different than BLACKFACE?
[Borat was wearing KAZAKHFACE.]
Blackface is a style of theatrical makeup that originated in the United States, used to affect the countenance of an iconic, racist American archetype - that of the darky or coon. Blackface also refers to a genre of musical and comedic theatrical presentation in which blackface makeup is worn. White blackface performers in the past used burnt cork and later greasepaint or shoe polish to blacken their skin and exaggerate their lips, often wearing woolly wigs, gloves, tails, or ragged clothes to complete the transformation. Later, black artists also performed in blackface.
[Yes. Musical comedian Bert Williams was one of the latter. A black man who performed in blackface. So was he racist too?]
Blackface was an important performance tradition in the American theater for over 100 years and was also popular overseas. Stereotypes embodied in the stock characters of blackface minstrelsy played a significant role in cementing and proliferating racist images, attitudes and perceptions worldwide. In some quarters, the caricatures that were the legacy of blackface persist to the present day and are a cause of ongoing controversy.
[Which is why we won't be seeing any more film bios of Al Jolson in the near future. Or even the not so near future.]
- proliferating racist images? Check
- caricature? Check
- cause of ongoing controversy? Check
[- dummie political correctness run amok? Check]
For the sake of discussion, I'll say I have taken the character to be a slur against muslims/arabs/persians.
[For sake of discussion, I'll say you are too DUmb to realize that Kazakhs are neither Arabs nor Persians. In fact many of them aren't even Muslims since a big chunk of the population of Kazakhstan are ethnic Russians.]
For one thing.... "Kazakhstani" is not a race.
[Gee! No kidding?]
Perhaps not, but just the made up name prompts an association with peoples from an general geographical area of the world.
[I always knew DUmmies were DUmb but this just lowered their DUmbness bar in my eyes. This DUmmie actually believes that they made up the country of Kazakhstan? Yeah, and Slovakia is also a fictional country, DUmmie.]
Made up name? You do know Kazakhstan is a real country, right?
[Shhh! It's more entertaining to keep that DUmmie in blessed ignorance.]
But it is saying people from there live with farm animals, shit in a box and their sister is a prostitute, etc... And saying at a time when we are calling these people inferior evil savages and going to their country to kill them, blow up their weddings, etc.
[It's called COMEDY you DUmmie! Meanwhile the Dummies feel free to slam at the Red State "rednecks" and they aren't even joking.]
I think it was more than that Cohen is of Russian Jewish extraction, the "Kazakhs" are none other than the "Cossacks" who were infamous for executing pogroms. I think he's using them to stand for backwards, anti-Semitic peoples in general.
[DUmmie ignorance piled upon DUmmie ignorance. "Cossacks"and "Kazakhs" are entirely different peoples. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if this DUmmie thinks that Austrians and Australians are the same.]
Borat is making fun of US, not of Kazakhstan.
[The DUmmie FUnnies is making FUn of YOU, not of Kazakhstan.]
But seriously, aren't all foriegners just a little funny?
[Especially the foreign men on our beaches wearing those tiny jockstraps they call bathing suits. There should be a law against that.]
Can we not be politically correct ONCE in a while?
This is a Jew making fun of Arabs as being stupid, idiotic, abusive, unhygenic, incestrous, raping, etc. At a time when we are in the middle east causing all kinds of death to these people for selfish reasons. That's an uncomfortable position.
[Would it be okay for a Presbyterian to make fun of Arabs then? Oh, and the Kazakhs are NOT arabs but better to let you live in blissful ignorance.]
BTW, most Americans can't even locate Kazakhstan on a map.
[Most DUmmies have trouble locating their own bellybuttons.]
He's also such a chicken that he responds to critics' charges only when in character; Baron Cohen himself needs to hide behind Borat.
[So stated DUmmie brentspeak hiding behind his DUmmie screen name.]
They also own the second largest Uranium reservesin the world behind Australia and the Russians and Chinese are agressively courting them.
[And don't forget their apple empire.]
A slur is a slur whether it is against a nation, race, sexual orientation, etc. When he says "I flew first class, which meant I was only the 6th person to make a shit in the toilet box", how is that getting people to admit things they would never say to an average american? To me it is a slur against less advantaged people to suggest that "we're better than them. ha ha, wink wink..."
[It's not a slur to say "we're smarter than DUmmies." It's the TRUTH.]
Well, if the movie isn't dumb, and Baron Cohen is so "smart"... ...then he should have no trouble making an effective comedy that doesn't rely on duping and misrepresenting his films' subjects.
[DUmmie brentspeak proving once again just how DUmb he is.]
This guy, Sacha Baron (???) Cohen sounds like a real jerk. I read an article today concerning the Romanian gypsies he used in his "Borat" film. These utterly dirt-poor, powerless people are furious that they were manipulated by "Borat"; they were told that a documentary on their poverty was being made, not a comedic film where they would be used as a punchline. One of the gypsies, speaking of how humiliated the village now feels: "We haven't got anything here. We haven't got running water. We can't even bathe," she said. "We are poor people, but we are still people."
[I guess those gypsies saw the big box office take of Borat and decided to scam for the big bucks instead of the small change they were more than happy to work for earlier.]
Sasha Cohen did something wrong. When I saw that movie, I thought the part with his village was completely staged. I didn't realise that he tricked a poor Romanian village into being exploited. If he did this, he deserves a kick in the nuts.
[No trick here at all. The movie company paid a village of gypsies to be in a movie which they were happy to do. Then when the movie hit it big they decided to go for the bigger bucks. End of story.]
Thanks for the reviews. I was going to see his movie ...but I'll take a pass. I'm not in the mood to see a Jewish Comedian making fun of Muslims these days. Sorry...just isn't my thing.
[Would you feel better if it were a Presbyterian Comedian making fun of Muslims?]
It's like Southpark. It's an equal opportunity offender that spares no one. And the other poster was right. It is so ridiculously over the top that you can't really be offended.
[Unless you are a DUmmie.]
I don't believe it quite parallels "blackface", but what turned me off from seeing the movie, simply judging by the previews, is the way it seemed to be laughing about people living in poverty. I generally don't find that kind of humor funny, just depressing. Maybe I got a distorted perception about what the bulk of the movie is like based on seeing the previews, but that was the way it came across to me. Maybe I just don't "get" it the same way I don't "get" "South Park" ("get" in quotes because I don't think finding something unfunny necessarily entails that you truly don't get how it's attempting to be funny).
[I don't think you "get" much of anything, DUhhhmmie.]
Anyone who finds this movie funny is a f*cking moran! Sure I laughed at the cowboys and the idiot frat boys, they deserved it. However, many of the people in the movie were exploited and tricked and I find that offensive. Oh and I get SATIRE, but people should not be harmed in the process.
["No Kazakhs, morans, nor horses were harmed in the making of this motion picture."]
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