"Investigate, impeach, indict, convict and sentence"
Remember all the Democrat talk early this year about how they couldn't wait to get back in power so they could investigate and impeach President Bush? Well, they soon discovered that such talk is counterproductive so they reversed themselves and pretended that they haven't the slightest intention of going through with impeachment hearings even though John Conyers already held a faux hearing on the subject last year in an oversized Congressional broom closet. Don't believe it. That promise of not seeking impeachment is about as valid as Barack Obama's promise earlier promise not to seek the Presidency. The Democrats can't wait to gain control of the House to extract their revenge on the Republicans. You can get a good idea of the Democrat urge for vengeance in this Daily Kos THREAD titled, "Investigate, impeach, indict, convict and sentence." It was posted by KOmmie GreyHawk who would just love to organize roving Democrat Chekhist squads to purge Republicans from public life for the sin of not thinking like "progressives." So let us now watch the KOmmie vengeance fantasies in Bolshevik Red while the commentary of your humble correspondent, watching the Democrats engage in an orgy of revenge before they have the opportunity to do so, is in the [brackets]:
Investigate, impeach, indict, convict and sentence
[Ban, purge, liquidate, eliminate, and exile.]
The diary "Newsweek: 51% of Americans support impeachment" by MarcTGFG contains some great back-and-forth discussion of the necessity and possibly utility (or futility) of impeaching Bush and Cheney with only two years left in their reign of terror terms of office.
[And those Newsweek polls are almost as accurate as the 2004 exit polls.]
We're approaching a potential landmark election. The topic is one currently reserved to bloggers, the media and the pundits; the Democrats haven't been pressing it of late. While it does, indeed, cloud the issues that must be addressed and risk deferring thought and concentration on winning the upcoming elections, it's a topic that should not be avoided. Here are my thoughts on it.
[Comrade Lenin is pondering the impending purges...]
One point raised centered around whether the investigations are even necessary, given Bush's own admission that he has broken, and will continue to break, the law.
[Yes, why bother with time consuming investigations? IMPEACH NOW!!!]
Another poster doubted that impeachment could make it through the Senate.
[Bypass the Senate. INDICT NOW!!!]
Still others believed that the whole process -- impeachment, indictment and conviction -- was necessary, to properly restore our nation's integrity and to stop the train wreck that is BushCo before it can jump the tracks and avoid prosectution.
[CONVICT NOW!!! Hurry, Hurry, HURRY!!! Only two years left to do it!]
The question that hit me the hardest, however, wasn't "whether" or "should" -- it was "why bother" if we get a Dem majority back into Congress. It wasn't a question posed by a commenter; rather, it was postulated as a rather small piece within a larger comment:
"the American public may consider it petty of us to try to remove him with only two years left in his term"
[DUmmiecrats petty? Who'da thunk it?]
It's a great thought -- I was glad that the poster, PhoenixWoman, brought it up. It left me thinking of what an adequate response would be -- could be -- to such ambivalence by even a small minority of the populace. I posted a reply, which I've reproduced below.
It's the reply that constitutes my reason for this diary tonight; please read it, and comment below on your take regarding both it, and the question of investigations and impeachment of Bush/Cheney.
These are items that I feel we must put some preparatory thought into, even as we press forward with the drive to win the impending elections. If we are not already thinking about our answers to future questions such as this, and we await the last possible moment to reflect upon them, we could very likely lose the opportunity or upper hand at playing a deciding role in the outcome.
[Are you done anaylzing your navel yet or will you FINALLY get around to telling us your response?]
Pithy or not, they could do untold damage if left where they are for two years.
[Pithy or not, the DUmmiecrats could do untold damage if returned to office for two years.]
Every day, every signing statement, every wiretap, every time someone is whisked away in darkness for rendition and secret tribunal and every opportunity that the current Republican majority has to push through "protective" measures, a little more is chipped away at the foundations of freedom and accountability, and the light of liberty and truth shines a little less brightly.
[Innocent little terrorists dragged out of bed and tortured with air conditioning and starved with large helpings of rice pilaf and orange glazed chicken.]
The self-serving corruption is blatant. The arrogance and contempt for the "quaint" principles of law, of equality, of accountability and for the need for oversight within the framework of checks and balances is unbridled.
[Contempt for "quaint" principals of law like the investigation process which you suggested should be ignored?]
The moral and social outrage should be palpable; it grows daily.
[DUmmie and KOmmie anger grows daily. I notice that in the REAL WORLD there is little interest in politics.]
Not a minute longer than absolutely necessary as dictated by proper procedure and observance to the process of responsible government should these people remain in office.
[Are you suggesting that Senator Reid leave office immediately?]
The "petty" principle pales in comparison to realities on the ground. Any cries of outrage at an attempt to impeach, to try, to convict and imprison these criminals should be met with the scorn and contempt for our nation that has been foisted upon us for these many years, times three.
["Criminals?" That's PLURAL. Are you urging mass purge trials?]
It will be incumbent upon the new Congress to take this charge of realigning our government with our founding principles, and to do so with expedience and efficiency that belie the paramount importance of the task. For if we do not find it within the next Congress to right the wrongs of the past six years, and if these clowns of ultimate buffoonery are permitted to complete their terms unchallenged, unchecked and undeterred, then we will have well and truly lost that which our forefathers bequeathed to us; the "American Dream" will be lost, replaced by a cheap imitation born of marketing genius and built by cheap offshore labor.
["Clowns" is also plural. Again with the mass purge trials.]
And most likely stamped "Made in China" somewhere on the bottom.
[How about if we stamp your brain with "Lost in Space?" And now on to the purge fantasies of your fellow Chekhist KOmmies...]
Would we let a rapist off if the statute... of limitations were only two years away?
[So should we indict Bill Clinton for the Juanita Broderick rape?]
After impeachment, feed him to the Hague...for further trials.
I would buy a Tivo just for the War Crimes Trial!
[You would be better off buying restraining straps for yourself when you find out that won't be happening.]
The planet I call home is populated by some people called Democrats who have a thing called a conscience.
[The planet you call home is Bizarro World.]
Not content to purposefully blow up the independent counsel concept, this rotten generation of Republicans turned one of our most solemn constitutional safeguards into a farce.
[Didn't the independent counsel indict Karl Rove on May 12?]
We must hobble the extreme right with every legal tool at our disposal. to give them a free pass on their crimes as you want to do guarantees the continued ascendency of the extreme right.
[In KOmmieland, being a conservative constitutes a political crime.]
If we regain the house and senate, which is likely...
[Count your chickens before they hatch. CLUCK! CLUCK!]
If the Dems take back Congress, and move for impeachment on Day One, it will look like "sour grapes" to many Americans. We are a divided nation, and this will do nothing to heal that division.
[So we must wait until Day Two for the purge trials to begin.]
Hopefully this facism will have been exposed. no pardons, they need to build at least one jail for these criminals and those who were complicit.
[Mass purge trials for the crime of being Republicans.]
I personally feel that it should be Cheney and Bush first, but Gonzales, Rumsfeld, Rice, Addington, and many more can certainly share the limelight. I don't think Rove's position is impeachable... but I'm sure he's done a few things he could be sent to jail for and I'd happily watch C-Span while his laundry list is read out... Likewise, Ken Mehlman and numerous Republican Senators, Congresspeople and staffers.
[Somehow I don't think Karl Rove can be impeached since he doesn't hold a public office. Damn those lousy little technical details!]
Hearings and investigations, as public as possible, starting immediately after Speaker Pelosi's 100 hours. That will be the phase of educating the public, and that phase should be well underway before publicly howling for impeachment. And while all politicians and activists should be thinking and planning now, now is not the time for a very public discussion.
[Shhh!!! Please don't let the public know that we are impeachment crazed nuts!]
SCOTUS justices can be impeached, too. I believe there's been talk (probably only on here, but still) about impeaching Alito for lying to the Senate Subcommittee during his confirmation hearings. I never caught exactly what the lie was supposed to be, it's just a vague impression I remember having.
[Judge Alito will be indicted based on the vague impression that you have that he lied. Oh, and Justice Roberts will be indicted because of the vague impression you have that his eyes glared at you.]
Impeach them all....and let God sort them out!
[The Democrat campaign motto of 2006]
What's really sad about this, is that we have to wait until we can gain control of a political institution ( the House of Representatives ) that has been gerrymandered practically into perpetuity, before the impeachment process can even begin and then it will no doubt be thwarted by the Senate regardless of the facts. What this country really needs is a change to the Constitution so that the impeachment process can be launched directly from the electorate and the Trial itself conducted by a non political tribunal.
[Damn the constitution! We need to change it to impeach and indict the Republicans.]
If not impeach, then send them to The Hague and prosecute them for war crimes. Unless, of course, BushCo is safe in Paraguay, with other exiled fascist dictators.
[Where in the constitution does it provide for sending the president to the Hague for war crimes as defined by DUmmiecrats?]
We are acting like children who have to ask permission from our ELECTED OFFICIALS. What the F is this? They are ACCOUNTABLE TO US. Not the other way around. If they don't "mind" then we throw them out. PERIOD. We don't ask "permission" we take them out of the abusive positions they are in and we toss them out. Let's stop being confused.
[And start acting like children again.]
We have to win the elections first.
[Didn't you get the word yet? You WON already. Just look at the polls. So go ahead and celebrate with a victory dance in the end zone BEFORE you score the touchdown.]
Not only do the President and Vice President deserve impeachment, but so do the Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General, the Director of National Intelligence, the head of the NSA, the Director of the CIA, the five Supreme Court justices who voted for Bush in Bush v. Gore, and many more.
[Don't be shy. Add Chicken Little and the Flying Nun to that impeachment list.]
Impeachment and imprisonment or else the one remaining option will be insurrection. And that would be the worst defeat imaginable. Just as so many citizens have uncritically accepted the falacious claim that the current regime's actions were taken to "defend our freedoms," those of us on the left have to face the fact that we would lose in an armed attempt to overthrow and reform our goverment, that is, to "defend our freedoms" in reality. Just as ridiculous as is the idea of any other nation invading and occupying this country is the idea that we might recapture it through violence--our only option other than impeacment and the prison sentences handed out after subsequent trials. The one plausible exception might be a military takeover of the US, but the same institution that would quell an uprising isn't my first choice for an agent of change in service to social justice.
The Democratic Party made itself forever loathsome to me as it cast about looking for a "slogan" that somehow voiced a position that both distanced itself from the regime and allowed the Party to opt for more of the same. "Social justice" should have been that slogan. It should have been the goal, as well. If we do impeach, try, convict, and imprison, we'll have taken a huge step toward making social justice possible if not , yet, a reality. Without that act of justice, we're left with insurrection, defeat, death or imprisonment, and not even the possibility of freedom.
[And now many dozen times did you sit thru V For Vendetta viewings?]
Bush in an orange jumpsuit is a symbolic but necessary step.
[Howard Dean in a white strait jacket is a symbolic but necessary step.]
Then the Dems need to cut off...ALL SECRET SERVICE DETAIL to Bush & Company, and let them dangle in the wind. Then they need to call in the Chiefs of Staff to remove them.
[But if you cut off their internet connection that would be really cruel.]
Once people accepted that the Foley deal was real, it allowed them to look at other things that the Repubs have done and accept that other crimes/sins may have been committed.
[GASP! Mark Foley had non-sex with former House pages via the Internet. Too bad that info was prematurely leaked and will have little or no effect on the election due to bad timing on the part of DUmmiecrats.]
We need some reality-based numbers
[Consult the same pollsters who provided you with those remarkably accurate exit poll numbers in 2004.]
Impeachment , conviction , execution and a complete repudiation of republicanism.
[That's the true KOmmie spirit!]
The impeachment and removal of Bush and Cheney could take place in as little as TWO DAYS TIME, and the publicly available evidence of their criminal behavior is so obvious and so well documented that immediate arrest and detainment without bond is justified.
[Only ONE DAY if you really hurry.]
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posted by PJ-Comix at 6:24 AM
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This is just like the dummies, already making plans for an election they haven't won yet. Not a brain cell in the whole lot.
I keep thinking of their heads exploding like the Martians in "Mars Attacks" after they lose AGAIN in a couple of weeks.
I also think that some of these nutcases will probably go over the edge into violence.
Insurrection my ass. Despite their flamboyant rhetoric, the moonbats themselves don't have the guts to put their lives on the line over their psycho bullshit, and they actually believe it. Nobody else outside that insane 1 percent has even that trivial level of commitment to it.
Empty threats from empty minds.
I agree, I can't wait for election time. It's gonna be so much fun going over to Kos and DU after we retain both houses.
"I also think that some of these nutcases will probably go over the edge into violence."
I hope they do. I'm eager to see these little asswips start their "revolution". Should make for the best two or three hours in my life.
One thing that struck me as odd in the days after 9/11 was Bush saying "We will not tolerate conspiracy theories [regarding 9/11]". Sure enough there have been some wacky conspiracy theories surrounding the events of that day. The most far-fetched and patently ridiculous one that I've ever heard goes like this: Nineteen hijackers who claimed to be devout Muslims but yet were so un-Muslim as to be getting drunk all the time, doing cocaine and frequenting strip clubs decided to hijack four airliners and fly them into buildings in the northeastern U.S., the area of the country that is the most thick with fighter bases. After leaving a Koran on a barstool at a strip bar after getting shitfaced drunk on the night before, then writing a suicide note/inspirational letter that sounded like it was written by someone with next to no knowledge of Islam, they went to bed and got up the next morning hung over and carried out their devious plan. Nevermind the fact that of the four "pilots" among them there was not a one that could handle a Cessna or a Piper Cub let alone fly a jumbo jet, and the one assigned the most difficult task of all, Hani Hanjour, was so laughably incompetent that he was the worst fake "pilot" of the bunch. Nevermind the fact that they received very rudimentary flight training at Pensacola Naval Air Station, making them more likely to have been C.I.A. assets than Islamic fundamentalist terrorists. So on to the airports. These "hijackers" somehow managed to board all four airliners with their tickets, yet not even ONE got his name on any of the flight manifests. So they hijack all four airliners and at this time passengers on United 93 start making a bunch of cell phone calls from 35,000 feet in the air to tell people what was going on. Nevermind the fact that cell phones wouldn't work very well above 4,000 feet, and wouldn't work at ALL above 8,000 feet. But the conspiracy theorists won't let that fact get in the way of a good fantasy. That is one of the little things you "aren't supposed to think about". Nevermind that one of the callers called his mom and said his first and last name, more like he was reading from a list than calling his own mom. Anyway, when these airliners each deviated from their flight plan and didn't respond to ground control, NORAD would any other time have followed standard operating procedure (and did NOT have to be told by F.A.A. that there were hijackings because they were watching the same events unfold on their own radar) which means fighter jets would be scrambled from the nearest base where they were available on standby within a few minutes, just like every other time when airliners stray off course. But of course on 9/11 this didn't happen, not even close. Somehow these "hijackers" must have used magical powers to cause NORAD to stand down, as ridiculous as this sounds because total inaction from the most high-tech and professional Air Force in the world would be necessary to carry out their tasks. So on the most important day in its history the Air Force was totally worthless. Then they had to make one of the airliners look like a smaller plane, because unknown to them the Naudet brothers had a videocamera to capture the only known footage of the North Tower crash, and this footage shows something that is not at all like a jumbo jet, but didn't have to bother with the South Tower jet disguising itself because that was the one we were "supposed to see". Anyway, as for the Pentagon they had to have Hani Hanjour fly his airliner like it was a fighter plane, making a high G-force corkscrew turn that no real airliner can do, in making its descent to strike the Pentagon. But these "hijackers" wanted to make sure Rumsfeld survived so they went out of their way to hit the farthest point in the building from where Rumsfeld and the top brass are located. And this worked out rather well for the military personnel in the Pentagon, since the side that was hit was the part that was under renovation at the time with few military personnel present compared to construction workers. Still more fortuitous for the Pentagon, the side that was hit had just before 9/11 been structurally reinforced to prevent a large fire there from spreading elsewhere in the building. Awful nice of them to pick that part to hit, huh? Then the airliner vaporized itself into nothing but tiny unidentifiable pieces no bigger than a fist, unlike the crash of a real airliner when you will be able to see at least some identifiable parts, like crumpled wings, broken tail section etc. Why, Hani Hanjour the terrible pilot flew that airliner so good that even though he hit the Pentagon on the ground floor the engines didn't even drag the ground!! Imagine that!! Though the airliner vaporized itself on impact it only made a tiny 16 foot hole in the building. Amazing. Meanwhile, though the planes hitting the Twin Towers caused fires small enough for the firefighters to be heard on their radios saying "We just need 2 hoses and we can knock this fire down" attesting to the small size of it, somehow they must have used magical powers from beyond the grave to make this morph into a raging inferno capable of making the steel on all forty-seven main support columns (not to mention the over 100 smaller support columns) soften and buckle, then all fail at once. Hmmm. Then still more magic was used to make the building totally defy physics as well as common sense in having the uppermost floors pass through the remainder of the building as quickly, meaning as effortlessly, as falling through air, a feat that without magic could only be done with explosives. Then exactly 30 minutes later the North Tower collapses in precisely the same freefall physics-defying manner. Incredible. Not to mention the fact that both collapsed at a uniform rate too, not slowing down, which also defies physics because as the uppermost floors crash into and through each successive floor beneath them they would shed more and more energy each time, thus slowing itself down. Common sense tells you this is not possible without either the hijackers' magical powers or explosives. To emphasize their telekinetic prowess, later in the day they made a third building, WTC # 7, collapse also at freefall rate though no plane or any major debris hit it. Amazing guys these magical hijackers. But we know it had to be "Muslim hijackers" the conspiracy theorist will tell you because (now don't laugh) one of their passports was "found" a couple days later near Ground Zero, miraculously "surviving" the fire that we were told incinerated planes, passengers and black boxes, and also "survived" the collapse of the building it was in. When common sense tells you if that were true then they should start making buildings and airliners out of heavy paper and plastic so as to be "indestructable" like that magic passport. The hijackers even used their magical powers to bring at least seven of their number back to life, to appear at american embassies outraged at being blamed for 9/11!! BBC reported on that and it is still online. Nevertheless, they also used magical powers to make the american government look like it was covering something up in the aftermath of this, what with the hasty removal of the steel debris and having it driven to ports in trucks with GPS locators on them, to be shipped overseas to China and India to be melted down. When common sense again tells you that this is paradoxical in that if the steel was so unimportant that they didn't bother saving some for analysis but so important as to require GPS locators on the trucks with one driver losing his job because he stopped to get lunch. Hmmmm. Yes, this whole story smacks of the utmost idiocy and fantastical far-fetched lying, but it is amazingly enough what some people believe. Even now, five years later, the provably false fairy tale of the "nineteen hijackers" is heard repeated again and again, and is accepted without question by so many Americans. Which is itself a testament to the innate psychological cowardice of the American sheeple, i mean people, and their abject willingness to believe something, ANYTHING, no matter how ridiculous in order to avoid facing a scary uncomfortable truth. Time to wake up America.
What? I don't get it? Could you explain that to me in English?
Not sure... I don't speak moonbat... *snicker*
Paragraphs are your friends little moonbat.
"Enlightenment" ... just like a moonbat to name himself that.
Shouldn't that much stupid in one place (both up above here and over at Kos) collapse into some sort of Black Hole of Stupid that doensn't allow any thought to escape? Oh, wait. It did.'
I expected the above Comment of Ultimate Stupidity to set off a nuclear Stupid explosion. Talk about dense.
Also, someone should clue them in.
You cannot impeach a SCOTUS justice. It's that damn pesky Constitution.
Ah yes, the 'truther' version of 9/11. I see that the asylum is now granting daypasses. Note how they ramble on and on, without even anyone listening to their nonsense.
If brevity is the soul of wit, then our rambling friend is truly witless.
Britt: Yes, Supreme Court justices can be impeached. They serve for life during good behavior, not for life whatsoever.
The only Supreme Court justice to be impeached was Samuel Chase in 1804, although he was acquitted by the Senate.
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