"Investigate, impeach, indict, convict and sentence"
Remember all the Democrat talk early this year about how they couldn't wait to get back in power so they could investigate and impeach President Bush? Well, they soon discovered that such talk is counterproductive so they reversed themselves and pretended that they haven't the slightest intention of going through with impeachment hearings even though John Conyers already held a faux hearing on the subject last year in an oversized Congressional broom closet. Don't believe it. That promise of not seeking impeachment is about as valid as Barack Obama's promise earlier promise not to seek the Presidency. The Democrats can't wait to gain control of the House to extract their revenge on the Republicans. You can get a good idea of the Democrat urge for vengeance in this Daily Kos THREAD titled, "Investigate, impeach, indict, convict and sentence." It was posted by KOmmie GreyHawk who would just love to organize roving Democrat Chekhist squads to purge Republicans from public life for the sin of not thinking like "progressives." So let us now watch the KOmmie vengeance fantasies in Bolshevik Red while the commentary of your humble correspondent, watching the Democrats engage in an orgy of revenge before they have the opportunity to do so, is in the [brackets]:
Investigate, impeach, indict, convict and sentence
[Ban, purge, liquidate, eliminate, and exile.]
The diary "Newsweek: 51% of Americans support impeachment" by MarcTGFG contains some great back-and-forth discussion of the necessity and possibly utility (or futility) of impeaching Bush and Cheney with only two years left in their reign of terror terms of office.
[And those Newsweek polls are almost as accurate as the 2004 exit polls.]
We're approaching a potential landmark election. The topic is one currently reserved to bloggers, the media and the pundits; the Democrats haven't been pressing it of late. While it does, indeed, cloud the issues that must be addressed and risk deferring thought and concentration on winning the upcoming elections, it's a topic that should not be avoided. Here are my thoughts on it.
[Comrade Lenin is pondering the impending purges...]
One point raised centered around whether the investigations are even necessary, given Bush's own admission that he has broken, and will continue to break, the law.
[Yes, why bother with time consuming investigations? IMPEACH NOW!!!]
Another poster doubted that impeachment could make it through the Senate.
[Bypass the Senate. INDICT NOW!!!]
Still others believed that the whole process -- impeachment, indictment and conviction -- was necessary, to properly restore our nation's integrity and to stop the train wreck that is BushCo before it can jump the tracks and avoid prosectution.
[CONVICT NOW!!! Hurry, Hurry, HURRY!!! Only two years left to do it!]
The question that hit me the hardest, however, wasn't "whether" or "should" -- it was "why bother" if we get a Dem majority back into Congress. It wasn't a question posed by a commenter; rather, it was postulated as a rather small piece within a larger comment:
"the American public may consider it petty of us to try to remove him with only two years left in his term"
[DUmmiecrats petty? Who'da thunk it?]
It's a great thought -- I was glad that the poster, PhoenixWoman, brought it up. It left me thinking of what an adequate response would be -- could be -- to such ambivalence by even a small minority of the populace. I posted a reply, which I've reproduced below.
It's the reply that constitutes my reason for this diary tonight; please read it, and comment below on your take regarding both it, and the question of investigations and impeachment of Bush/Cheney.
These are items that I feel we must put some preparatory thought into, even as we press forward with the drive to win the impending elections. If we are not already thinking about our answers to future questions such as this, and we await the last possible moment to reflect upon them, we could very likely lose the opportunity or upper hand at playing a deciding role in the outcome.
[Are you done anaylzing your navel yet or will you FINALLY get around to telling us your response?]
Pithy or not, they could do untold damage if left where they are for two years.
[Pithy or not, the DUmmiecrats could do untold damage if returned to office for two years.]
Every day, every signing statement, every wiretap, every time someone is whisked away in darkness for rendition and secret tribunal and every opportunity that the current Republican majority has to push through "protective" measures, a little more is chipped away at the foundations of freedom and accountability, and the light of liberty and truth shines a little less brightly.
[Innocent little terrorists dragged out of bed and tortured with air conditioning and starved with large helpings of rice pilaf and orange glazed chicken.]
The self-serving corruption is blatant. The arrogance and contempt for the "quaint" principles of law, of equality, of accountability and for the need for oversight within the framework of checks and balances is unbridled.
[Contempt for "quaint" principals of law like the investigation process which you suggested should be ignored?]
The moral and social outrage should be palpable; it grows daily.
[DUmmie and KOmmie anger grows daily. I notice that in the REAL WORLD there is little interest in politics.]
Not a minute longer than absolutely necessary as dictated by proper procedure and observance to the process of responsible government should these people remain in office.
[Are you suggesting that Senator Reid leave office immediately?]
The "petty" principle pales in comparison to realities on the ground. Any cries of outrage at an attempt to impeach, to try, to convict and imprison these criminals should be met with the scorn and contempt for our nation that has been foisted upon us for these many years, times three.
["Criminals?" That's PLURAL. Are you urging mass purge trials?]
It will be incumbent upon the new Congress to take this charge of realigning our government with our founding principles, and to do so with expedience and efficiency that belie the paramount importance of the task. For if we do not find it within the next Congress to right the wrongs of the past six years, and if these clowns of ultimate buffoonery are permitted to complete their terms unchallenged, unchecked and undeterred, then we will have well and truly lost that which our forefathers bequeathed to us; the "American Dream" will be lost, replaced by a cheap imitation born of marketing genius and built by cheap offshore labor.
["Clowns" is also plural. Again with the mass purge trials.]
And most likely stamped "Made in China" somewhere on the bottom.
[How about if we stamp your brain with "Lost in Space?" And now on to the purge fantasies of your fellow Chekhist KOmmies...]
Would we let a rapist off if the statute... of limitations were only two years away?
[So should we indict Bill Clinton for the Juanita Broderick rape?]
After impeachment, feed him to the Hague...for further trials.
I would buy a Tivo just for the War Crimes Trial!
[You would be better off buying restraining straps for yourself when you find out that won't be happening.]
The planet I call home is populated by some people called Democrats who have a thing called a conscience.
[The planet you call home is Bizarro World.]
Not content to purposefully blow up the independent counsel concept, this rotten generation of Republicans turned one of our most solemn constitutional safeguards into a farce.
[Didn't the independent counsel indict Karl Rove on May 12?]
We must hobble the extreme right with every legal tool at our disposal. to give them a free pass on their crimes as you want to do guarantees the continued ascendency of the extreme right.
[In KOmmieland, being a conservative constitutes a political crime.]
If we regain the house and senate, which is likely...
[Count your chickens before they hatch. CLUCK! CLUCK!]
If the Dems take back Congress, and move for impeachment on Day One, it will look like "sour grapes" to many Americans. We are a divided nation, and this will do nothing to heal that division.
[So we must wait until Day Two for the purge trials to begin.]
Hopefully this facism will have been exposed. no pardons, they need to build at least one jail for these criminals and those who were complicit.
[Mass purge trials for the crime of being Republicans.]
I personally feel that it should be Cheney and Bush first, but Gonzales, Rumsfeld, Rice, Addington, and many more can certainly share the limelight. I don't think Rove's position is impeachable... but I'm sure he's done a few things he could be sent to jail for and I'd happily watch C-Span while his laundry list is read out... Likewise, Ken Mehlman and numerous Republican Senators, Congresspeople and staffers.
[Somehow I don't think Karl Rove can be impeached since he doesn't hold a public office. Damn those lousy little technical details!]
Hearings and investigations, as public as possible, starting immediately after Speaker Pelosi's 100 hours. That will be the phase of educating the public, and that phase should be well underway before publicly howling for impeachment. And while all politicians and activists should be thinking and planning now, now is not the time for a very public discussion.
[Shhh!!! Please don't let the public know that we are impeachment crazed nuts!]
SCOTUS justices can be impeached, too. I believe there's been talk (probably only on here, but still) about impeaching Alito for lying to the Senate Subcommittee during his confirmation hearings. I never caught exactly what the lie was supposed to be, it's just a vague impression I remember having.
[Judge Alito will be indicted based on the vague impression that you have that he lied. Oh, and Justice Roberts will be indicted because of the vague impression you have that his eyes glared at you.]
Impeach them all....and let God sort them out!
[The Democrat campaign motto of 2006]
What's really sad about this, is that we have to wait until we can gain control of a political institution ( the House of Representatives ) that has been gerrymandered practically into perpetuity, before the impeachment process can even begin and then it will no doubt be thwarted by the Senate regardless of the facts. What this country really needs is a change to the Constitution so that the impeachment process can be launched directly from the electorate and the Trial itself conducted by a non political tribunal.
[Damn the constitution! We need to change it to impeach and indict the Republicans.]
If not impeach, then send them to The Hague and prosecute them for war crimes. Unless, of course, BushCo is safe in Paraguay, with other exiled fascist dictators.
[Where in the constitution does it provide for sending the president to the Hague for war crimes as defined by DUmmiecrats?]
We are acting like children who have to ask permission from our ELECTED OFFICIALS. What the F is this? They are ACCOUNTABLE TO US. Not the other way around. If they don't "mind" then we throw them out. PERIOD. We don't ask "permission" we take them out of the abusive positions they are in and we toss them out. Let's stop being confused.
[And start acting like children again.]
We have to win the elections first.
[Didn't you get the word yet? You WON already. Just look at the polls. So go ahead and celebrate with a victory dance in the end zone BEFORE you score the touchdown.]
Not only do the President and Vice President deserve impeachment, but so do the Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General, the Director of National Intelligence, the head of the NSA, the Director of the CIA, the five Supreme Court justices who voted for Bush in Bush v. Gore, and many more.
[Don't be shy. Add Chicken Little and the Flying Nun to that impeachment list.]
Impeachment and imprisonment or else the one remaining option will be insurrection. And that would be the worst defeat imaginable. Just as so many citizens have uncritically accepted the falacious claim that the current regime's actions were taken to "defend our freedoms," those of us on the left have to face the fact that we would lose in an armed attempt to overthrow and reform our goverment, that is, to "defend our freedoms" in reality. Just as ridiculous as is the idea of any other nation invading and occupying this country is the idea that we might recapture it through violence--our only option other than impeacment and the prison sentences handed out after subsequent trials. The one plausible exception might be a military takeover of the US, but the same institution that would quell an uprising isn't my first choice for an agent of change in service to social justice.
The Democratic Party made itself forever loathsome to me as it cast about looking for a "slogan" that somehow voiced a position that both distanced itself from the regime and allowed the Party to opt for more of the same. "Social justice" should have been that slogan. It should have been the goal, as well. If we do impeach, try, convict, and imprison, we'll have taken a huge step toward making social justice possible if not , yet, a reality. Without that act of justice, we're left with insurrection, defeat, death or imprisonment, and not even the possibility of freedom.
[And now many dozen times did you sit thru V For Vendetta viewings?]
Bush in an orange jumpsuit is a symbolic but necessary step.
[Howard Dean in a white strait jacket is a symbolic but necessary step.]
Then the Dems need to cut off...ALL SECRET SERVICE DETAIL to Bush & Company, and let them dangle in the wind. Then they need to call in the Chiefs of Staff to remove them.
[But if you cut off their internet connection that would be really cruel.]
Once people accepted that the Foley deal was real, it allowed them to look at other things that the Repubs have done and accept that other crimes/sins may have been committed.
[GASP! Mark Foley had non-sex with former House pages via the Internet. Too bad that info was prematurely leaked and will have little or no effect on the election due to bad timing on the part of DUmmiecrats.]
We need some reality-based numbers
[Consult the same pollsters who provided you with those remarkably accurate exit poll numbers in 2004.]
Impeachment , conviction , execution and a complete repudiation of republicanism.
[That's the true KOmmie spirit!]
The impeachment and removal of Bush and Cheney could take place in as little as TWO DAYS TIME, and the publicly available evidence of their criminal behavior is so obvious and so well documented that immediate arrest and detainment without bond is justified.
[Only ONE DAY if you really hurry.]
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